Lone Wolf Posted March 12 Posted March 12 45 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Pakistan opening a new Iran front would be deadly for them. Iran will hit them hard and cause immense losses. Specially at their Quetta core. Plus the civil unrest in Pakistan, 20% of its population is Shia. Yeah entire country would be on fire internally. Shias in Pakland make even more ret@rded Suicide bombers. That's why Pookis are backtracking and are in a difficult position the longer this goes on. Civil war type scenes in reality. Mullah regime under Khamenei has over the years worked on this aspect as they knew the dangers already and Shia Sunni split within Pak excabrated under them and sleeper cells still exist. Militarily they Pak may get a pounding and missiles landing on Pindi and Lahore but a land invasion will threaten the regime significantly and Pooks have enough manpower to throw unlike other countries in the region. They will be financed heavily by US Saudis in this endeavour and it will make the gifts they recieved on so called War on Terror seem miniscule in comparison. It's a double edged swords with more Cons than Pros for them. ravishingravi and singhvivek141 2
G_B_ Posted March 12 Posted March 12 1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said: Pakistan opening a new Iran front would be deadly for them. Iran will hit them hard and cause immense losses. Specially at their Quetta core. Plus the civil unrest in Pakistan, 20% of its population is Shia. They had plans to let usa n allies use their air space. But given munitions shortage ksa wants them to attack iran directly. Pak will have to attack. Oil af 150 means they at mercy of ksa. No choice
Mariyam Posted March 12 Posted March 12 On 3/9/2026 at 6:52 PM, rangeelaraja said: Being a neighbour and a civilizational rival - China's intent is way more malicious towards India. It has always shielded Pak citizens who are terrorists responsible for multiple attacks on India from UN sanctions committee. They are not even Chinese citizens. China provided real time intelligence to Pak during Operation Sindoor to attack Indian installations - which is actively waging a war against India. China provided Pak with a few pictures from the satellites. US has been arming Pak since 1947. China started selling to them only in the last 15 odd years. Aren't the Maoists defeated more or less? Kudos to the government for tackling that menace.
singhvivek141 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: China provided Pak with a few pictures from the satellites. US has been arming Pak since 1947. China started selling to them only in the last 15 odd years. Aren't the Maoists defeated more or less? Kudos to the government for tackling that menace. Na na, not only that. They provided them air defence system, real time intel of Indian weaponry during Op Sindoor. Hangor class submarines to attack on the West Coast, JF-17 Blunder fighter jet which is the backbone of PAF, J10c and now potentially J20/J35 (which are close to 5th gen)...all at a dirt cheap cost. Why? just to ensure India keep on looking at their western borders and stay away from posturing on East. You're absolutely right that US has been arming Pak. But credit goes to our govt as well 1. Post independence US approached us first, Chacha was bitten by non-alignment (NAM) and he rejected. US then shifted to Pak and they agreed supporting to US. US did all that to curb USSR. 2. When we faced challenge in 1962 war against China, India ditched NAM and moved to USSR camp. US-Pak vs USSR-India. 3. When India gave bloody nose to Pak in 1971 war, followed by losses in Vietnam war and Iran. US was in bad shape while USSR seemed invincible. 4. Then came Afghanistan invasion movement, US funded Pak army heavily to create Mujahids against USSR. US won the Afghanistan war and Soviets went back, then same Mujahids were directed towards Kashmir and Punjab for bleeding India with thousand cuts. Pak was always quick to decide, we always reacted slow and hence choose whatever was left to pick from. You can say it's coz they're an military controlled regime while we are bitten by the bug of Democracy.
singhvivek141 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: They had plans to let usa n allies use their air space. But given munitions shortage ksa wants them to attack iran directly. Pak will have to attack. Oil af 150 means they at mercy of ksa. No choice Its a smart strategy 1. Pak Iran war will be explosive, this will distract Iran and it will direct it's energy towards blasting Pakistan. Pooks too will retaliate with full force (plus whatever support they'll get from House of Saud's and House of Whites) 2. Middle East and Israel will take a sigh of breath. Iran can't fight on all fronts and hence the amount of missiles to these nations will reduce. 3. Chinks will be in a tough spot, both are their allies in some way. This will put them under additional pressure, and US can stop bringing in it's fleet from South China sea. Basically Pakistan will be used as a sacrificial lamb against Iran.
singhvivek141 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Yeah entire country would be on fire internally. Shias in Pakland make even more ret@rded Suicide bombers. That's why Pookis are backtracking and are in a difficult position the longer this goes on. Civil war type scenes in reality. Mullah regime under Khamenei has over the years worked on this aspect as they knew the dangers already and Shia Sunni split within Pak excabrated under them and sleeper cells still exist. Militarily they Pak may get a pounding and missiles landing on Pindi and Lahore but a land invasion will threaten the regime significantly and Pooks have enough manpower to throw unlike other countries in the region. They will be financed heavily by US Saudis in this endeavour and it will make the gifts they recieved on so called War on Terror seem miniscule in comparison. It's a double edged swords with more Cons than Pros for them. Basically to turn this from an Iran-Israel war to an Iran-Pakistan war.....while remaining gulf nations, US and Israel can get time to reorganize and re-strategize. Lone Wolf and ravishingravi 2
Lone Wolf Posted March 12 Posted March 12 9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Basically to turn this from an Iran-Israel war to an Iran-Pakistan war.....while remaining gulf nations, US and Israel can get time to reorganize and re-strategize. Exactly that's what the role of vassal states is actually. Pak is a de facto colony of both KSA and US. KSA funds its nuclear program and US maintains it. A classic artificial state for you but too big to fail for bigger powers and will be kept above water to serve their purpose.
mishra Posted March 12 Posted March 12 29 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Na na, not only that. They provided them air defence system, real time intel of Indian weaponry during Op Sindoor. Hangor class submarines to attack on the West Coast, JF-17 Blunder fighter jet which is the backbone of PAF, J10c and now potentially J20/J35 (which are close to 5th gen)...all at a dirt cheap cost. Why? just to ensure India keep on looking at their western borders and stay away from posturing on East. You're absolutely right that US has been arming Pak. But credit goes to our govt as well 1. Post independence US approached us first, Chacha was bitten by non-alignment (NAM) and he rejected. US then shifted to Pak and they agreed supporting to US. US did all that to curb USSR. 2. When we faced challenge in 1962 war against China, India ditched NAM and moved to USSR camp. US-Pak vs USSR-India. 3. When India gave bloody nose to Pak in 1971 war, followed by losses in Vietnam war and Iran. US was in bad shape while USSR seemed invincible. 4. Then came Afghanistan invasion movement, US funded Pak army heavily to create Mujahids against USSR. US won the Afghanistan war and Soviets went back, then same Mujahids were directed towards Kashmir and Punjab for bleeding India with thousand cuts. Pak was always quick to decide, we always reacted slow and hence choose whatever was left to pick from. You can say it's coz they're an military controlled regime while we are bitten by the bug of Democracy. Bhai. What you have put is birds eye view. Now take a notch higher. Not choosing American camp have put us where we are today while choosing American camp has put where Pakistan is today. All the gains in Middle East by US due to Assad fall and Israel’s Gaza invasion has been lost As a result of Iran war. Lets see how Putin China and India play their cards here.
IndianRenegade Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) 35 minutes ago, mishra said: Bhai. What you have put is birds eye view. Now take a notch higher. Not choosing American camp have put us where we are today while choosing American camp has put where Pakistan is today. All the gains in Middle East by US due to Assad fall and Israel’s Gaza invasion has been lost As a result of Iran war. Lets see how Putin China and India play their cards here. Much Europe, SK, Japan, & ME did extermely well for themselves being the US camp. Pak is where it is today because of their own extremist ideology & leaders who chose to pocket the dividends & let its ppl rot. Edited March 12 by IndianRenegade
govinda Posted March 12 Posted March 12 37 minutes ago, mishra said: Bhai. What you have put is birds eye view. Now take a notch higher. Not choosing American camp have put us where we are today while choosing American camp has put where Pakistan is today. All the gains in Middle East by US due to Assad fall and Israel’s Gaza invasion has been lost As a result of Iran war. Lets see how Putin China and India play their cards here. South korea and japan also chosse usa camp. They became developed country. It was demise of ussr that made india ecnomic power. If ussr was still there india would still have license raj
govinda Posted March 12 Posted March 12 40 minutes ago, mishra said: Bhai. What you have put is birds eye view. Now take a notch higher. Not choosing American camp have put us where we are today while choosing American camp has put where Pakistan is today. All the gains in Middle East by US due to Assad fall and Israel’s Gaza invasion has been lost As a result of Iran war. Lets see how Putin China and India play their cards here. It is india's luck that ussr dissolved. Any way modi has already chosen to be in usa camp
G_B_ Posted March 12 Posted March 12 1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said: Its a smart strategy 1. Pak Iran war will be explosive, this will distract Iran and it will direct it's energy towards blasting Pakistan. Pooks too will retaliate with full force (plus whatever support they'll get from House of Saud's and House of Whites) 2. Middle East and Israel will take a sigh of breath. Iran can't fight on all fronts and hence the amount of missiles to these nations will reduce. 3. Chinks will be in a tough spot, both are their allies in some way. This will put them under additional pressure, and US can stop bringing in it's fleet from South China sea. Basically Pakistan will be used as a sacrificial lamb against Iran. Lets see what happens.. Ksa pumps money in pak. Has to be for something
ravishingravi Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Must say. Iranians have shaken the world with lateral escalation strategy.
rangeelaraja Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) 6 hours ago, Mariyam said: China provided Pak with a few pictures from the satellites. US has been arming Pak since 1947. China started selling to them only in the last 15 odd years. Aren't the Maoists defeated more or less? Kudos to the government for tackling that menace. Your arguments are either factually incorrect or lack proper context. China did not provide Pak with a mere "few pictures" from satellites. China provided live inputs on India's deployments so that Pak could target -- this has been widely reported because it was mentioned by a serving Lt. General. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/operation-sindoor-china-shared-live-data-on-india-assets-with-pak-turkey-provided-drones-says-army-deputy-chief-anti-india-axis-exposed/articleshow/122244158.cms https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-helped-pakistan-with-live-inputs-conflict-with-india-indian-army-deputy-2025-07-04/ US arming Pak has nothing to do with direct "enemity" with India. The world was split into 2 camps in the cold war. India chose USSR, Pak chose US. China's case is of direct enmity with India. US helped bring about the Green Revolution in India in the 1960s/70s. - where we went from a country with chronic food shortgaes to self sufficiency and surplus for all staple food. US also set up IIT Kanpur ( with assitence from MIT, Princeton, Caltech..etc ) India has been the No.1 beneficiary of US H1B visa for over 20 years ( consuming 80 % of total H1b visas ) . These workers send back around 30-40B dollar of annual remittances to India. China has only been a perpetual enemy that only wants to weaken India. It has opposed India on every forum and perpetually sided with Pak, shielding Pak terrorists that have attacked India brazenly. China also covets Indian territory. So this isn't even a comparison. Edited March 12 by rangeelaraja
Lone Wolf Posted March 13 Posted March 13 7 hours ago, govinda said: South korea and japan also chosse usa camp. They became developed country. It was demise of ussr that made india ecnomic power. If ussr was still there india would still have license raj Japan's economy was literally stunted in the 80's by US. It was supposed to cross 10 trillion dollar ages ago.. These vassal states have a ceiling and that's how they work under West. Keep your head down and follow the rules. India took the dignified slower route in its ambition to become a global power in distant future. Our founding fathers were visionaries to see how West Always had nefarious designs on us since inception. Creation of Pakistan is part of that.
kepler37b Posted March 13 Author Posted March 13 17 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: And exactly that will happen if Iran is under US. Mullahs are against us no doubt, but they have been backed primarily by US. It was US who supplied Pakistan and IRan Nuclear reactors during Cold War...and the same was shared to North Korea under espionage by A.Q. Khan. Terrorism in India was propagated by US, else Indian forces were enough to give bloody teeth to Pak in 1965 & 1971 war. Even Kanglus are now squeaking coz they are backed by US. What should India do anyway, well time is ripe to bolster our military power. China-Taiwan is lurking round the corner and there is a heavy chance that Israel-Iran-US may prolong as China is supplying weapons to Iran. Afghanistan is giving Pakistan bloody nose and there is no doubt Middle East will comeup pretty shaken and weak after the conflict. I am not asking for alignment with US or West. I am saying we should cheer the fall of mullah's everywhere. Either in iran or pook-land. Who does it is immaterial. US and China also have to be criticized. MFers have no long term civilizational vision. China in particular. They are not monotheist. Much like us. But the retards of CCP will not listen. singhvivek141 1
Lone Wolf Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Both American and IRGC sources have confirmed a clash between Iranian vessels and USS Abraham Lincoln... IRGC claims to have damaged some of it and American are saying they launched attack on the vessels but they missed so they had to use their Apaches and Hellfire missiles to target them.
singhvivek141 Posted March 13 Posted March 13 1 hour ago, kepler37b said: I am not asking for alignment with US or West. I am saying we should cheer the fall of mullah's everywhere. Either in iran or pook-land. Who does it is immaterial. US and China also have to be criticized. MFers have no long term civilizational vision. China in particular. They are not monotheist. Much like us. But the retards of CCP will not listen. Yeah, thats the sad part. Had China been little smart and cooperated with us. We could formed a strong alliance in the Indian Ocean, South China Sea and Arctic Ocean. Russia-India-China alliance followed by strong economic cooperation with Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia etc would have done wonders. Even SG would have had ties with this alliance and Myanmar would have been a peaceful territory rich is rare earth minerals. Even now, there is so much potential in ASEAN that they can wipe the floor with Middle East. But they are torn in a 3way conflict between India, China & US. kepler37b 1
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