Pant for wc 2027?

[Vk1]

12 hours ago, putrevus said:

He has hit 100 sixes in test fastest than anyone else in history.No reason why he cannt do well in odis.

 

If KL Rahul can be keeper for world cup and Champions trophy. Pant sure can do better than him.

you need release shots in shorter formats which is the reason why Pant falters. In tests he can pick and choose the ball and bowler. 

[New guy]

People keep confusing ODIs with t20, before his injury, for nearly 2 years, Pant was averaging over 40 in ODIs with 110 strike rate. This included a series winning unbeaten 100 against england in a final match of a series.

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, Vk1 said:

you need release shots in shorter formats which is the reason why Pant falters. In tests he can pick and choose the ball and bowler. 

I don't think it is his shots which is his problem.It is the tempo at which he bats but that is mainly a problem in t20s.

 

He has SR of 106 with avg of 34 in odis he has played and his 125 is still one of the best 100s I have seen from an Indian batsmen in England.

 

Captain and coaches have asked to become another Dhoni in whiteball cricket. IMO if he is left alone he will be just fine in odis.

 

Unlike other bozos we saw in England , he would not be intimidated by pace and bounce.

 

 

Edited August 21 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

11 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Kela will but Jadeja is out of reckoning now. Axar has taken over

Jadeja never had legacy in short formats. He was just being a cog in the wheel for 16 years. Never assumed a major role. Even Chahal did that briefly. One of he most easily dispensable player. But never faced any threat once Kulcha wa out of the way.Post 2017 debacle we thought we saw the last of him. He came back.

[bsriharsha]

34 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Jadeja never had legacy in short formats. He was just being a cog in the wheel for 16 years. Never assumed a major role. Even Chahal did that briefly. One of he most easily dispensable player. But never faced any threat once Kulcha wa out of the way.Post 2017 debacle we thought we saw the last of him. He came back.

Jadeja was a vital cog in the wheel for the team for a long time. He's dispensable now in ODIs but for a good 10 years , he provided brilliant fielding , able runs at the end and tight restrictive bowling. 

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, bsriharsha said:

Jadeja was a vital cog in the wheel for the team for a long time. He's dispensable now in ODIs but for a good 10 years , he provided brilliant fielding , able runs at the end and tight restrictive bowling. 

Apart from CT 2013 where even Ashwin bowled well his conribution is very littler in terms of match winning in an actual 50 over game or 20 over game. I am  including the 5 or 6 T20 world cups he played as well.

[bsriharsha]

37 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Apart from CT 2013 where even Ashwin bowled well his conribution is very littler in terms of match winning in an actual 50 over game or 20 over game. I am  including the 5 or 6 T20 world cups he played as well.

Little things matter a lot. There's his fielding for one as well. All that tends to add up. 

[Manucrick]

37 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Apart from CT 2013 where even Ashwin bowled well his conribution is very littler in terms of match winning in an actual 50 over game or 20 over game. I am  including the 5 or 6 T20 world cups he played as well.

Jedeja good year in loi 2012 to 2014 that's it 

[Vk1]

6 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't think it is his shots which is his problem.It is the tempo at which he bats but that is mainly a problem in t20s.

 

He has SR of 106 with avg of 34 in odis he has played and his 125 is still one of the best 100s I have seen from an Indian batsmen in England.

 

Captain and coaches have asked to become another Dhoni in whiteball cricket. IMO if he is left alone he will be just fine in odis.

 

Unlike other bozos we saw in England , he would not be intimidated by pace and bounce.

 

 

you look at him bat in shorter formats.. he looks restless as he doesn't rotate strike easily.. keeps searching for the gallery shots. His best position is top order but there are too many contenders. Hardik too has plenty of failures as a finisher but he doesn't give a damn about those knocks and is happy with the ones where he does well. He and Dhoni type of batsmen cover up their strikerates by picking a particular bowler. Pant doesn't do that. He treats Starc, Rabada and others as same. Plus he walks off the ground dejected as if he had done a grave mistake compare that with Pandya and Dhoni. You bat as a finisher you are bound to fail more often than not.

[Lord]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Jadeja never had legacy in short formats. He was just being a cog in the wheel for 16 years. Never assumed a major role. Even Chahal did that briefly. One of he most easily dispensable player. But never faced any threat once Kulcha wa out of the way.Post 2017 debacle we thought we saw the last of him. He came back.

Thats where a multi utility cricketer is different specially if he can save 10-20 runs in the field everytime 

 

He was dropped in 2017 but came back in Asia Cup when Hardik was injured to balance the side 

 

Would say he has been better than Chahal, Bhuvi, KL etc even in Odis 

[Nikhil_cric]

No. You can't pick randomly.  Anyway, Iyer's the one who should be on the chopping block, not KL 

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

No. You can't pick randomly.  Anyway, Iyer's the one who should be on the chopping block, not KL 

Kela has a history of low strike rates against top teams both in T20 and ODI world cups.  If you exclude associate sides his strike rate goes down to 80. Never played for team's cause both in 2019 and 2023 world cups. We have 4 world cup worth of stats. We shouldn't read too much into hits "not outs" in CT agianst understrength teams on the same venues. 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Kela has a history of low strike rates against top teams both in T20 and ODI world cups.  If you exclude associate sides his strike rate goes down to 80. Never played for team's cause both in 2019 and 2023 world cups. We have 4 world cup worth of stats. We shouldn't read too much into hits "not outs" in CT agianst understrength teams on the same venues. 

 

 

He has still been better than Iyer who has sucked after that World Cup semi-final. 

 

KL has been far better than that. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

He has still been better than Iyer who has sucked after that World Cup semi-final. 

 

KL has been far better than that. 

No he is not. He sucks under pressure. We have 4 world cup samples  2 T20 world cups 2 ODI world cups.  Iyer was the best batsman in world cup semi final. He was the one who did the finishing kick.

[Nikhil_cric]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

No he is not. He sucks under pressure. We have 4 world cup samples  2 T20 world cups 2 ODI world cups.  Iyer was the best batsman in world cup semi final. He was the one who did the finishing kick.

And what has Iyer done after that.  25 matches ,  35 average , 89 strike rate.  You are just extremely biased 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

And what has Iyer done after that.  25 matches ,  35 average , 89 strike rate.  You are just extremely biased 

You can call Iyer out lol But don't hype KL Rahul. We have enough sample to show he wilts under pressure. You can even drop Iyer. But don't hype Kela for that. He is the least trustworthy guy in ICC Events.

[Nikhil_cric]

35 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

You can call Iyer out lol But don't hype KL Rahul. We have enough sample to show he wilts under pressure. You can even drop Iyer. But don't hype Kela for that. He is the least trustworthy guy in ICC Events.

Nobody is hyping KL.   You can't replace everyone.  Iyer sucks the worst , Rohit and Virat won't be the right age profile by 2027.  

 

When you look at that in context, KL is the least of India's issues from a batting POV

[tapandrun]

 

Here is table summarizing Rishabh's batting scenario splits:

Batting Scenario	Innings Actually Batted	Total Runs	Batting Average	Strike Rate	Total Balls Faced
Batting First (1st Innings)	14	598	42.71	112.62	531
Batting Second (Chasing)	13	273	21.00	102.25	267
Overall ODI Career	27	871	33.50	106.22	798

 

His 125* run chase accounts for an entire 45.7% of his total career runs when batting second. If you remove that single performance, his chasing average over the remaining 12 innings falls to a mere 12.33.

 

he has scored 68.2% of his total career ODI runs against just two teams: England and the West Indies. When facing any other international side, his average drastically sinks to roughly 21.50 with zero centuries

 

Out of his 117 career ODI boundaries, 83 of them (70.9%) came exclusively against England and the West Indies.he has only managed 7 sixes across 12 innings when facing Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Sri Lanka combined.

 

His mode of dismissal  massive chunk of those catches happen deep on the boundary line—at long-on, long-off, or deep mid-wicket—directly resulting from mistimed lofted shots

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 22 by tapandrun

[putrevus]

18 hours ago, Vk1 said:

you look at him bat in shorter formats.. he looks restless as he doesn't rotate strike easily.. keeps searching for the gallery shots. His best position is top order but there are too many contenders. Hardik too has plenty of failures as a finisher but he doesn't give a damn about those knocks and is happy with the ones where he does well. He and Dhoni type of batsmen cover up their strikerates by picking a particular bowler. Pant doesn't do that. He treats Starc, Rabada and others as same. Plus he walks off the ground dejected as if he had done a grave mistake compare that with Pandya and Dhoni. You bat as a finisher you are bound to fail more often than not.

You are talking more about watching him in t20s.

 

At number 4 he would be perfect as he will break up all RHB. He has played 4 odis in last four years .The last 4 came just after his injury.

 

They need to give him two series and see how he does at number 4.

 

[jf1gp_1]

I certainly want him in ODIs specially during WC. Rahul is a makeshift keeper, who makes a few mistakes every game. He will (not IF) drop a few critical chances during next WC which we will regret. I just hope senses prevail and Pant is brought back in playing XI even if at the expense of Rohit.