Tendulkar and Zaheer retirement discussion [Poll added]

[Yoda-esque]

The last time that happened seems a long, long time ago. Sachin Tendulkar tons in matches won No code has to be inserted here.

Those are poor returns for a 20 year old career.

[GautiMaan]

tell me is there any other captain in world who would have survived 8-0 ? and why is the reaosn he is still captaining the side?

Because he's the captain India deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

[Old guy]

Because he's the captain India deserves' date= but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

but im batman...so this must be lie :finger:

[Crookbond]

Those are poor returns for a 20 year old career.

23 to be precise :--D

Because he's the captain India deserves' date= but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

:two_thumbs_up:

[Old guy]

Those are poor returns for a 20 year old career.

20 hundreds.. come on.. :cantstop: dravid has 15 in 16 years i think

[jf1gp_1]

u can make it sound like anyway u like.. i already told u why i said that..and u havent replied to that .. and there are too teams playing one has to win one has to lose..(thats what dhoni and co said in australia too :dontknow: ) so why are u making it sound like i want some one killed :nervous: im just saying bcci will only wake up after we lose something significant tell me is there anyother captain in world who would have survived 8-0 ? and why is the reaosn he is still captaining the side? yes we won world cup but that was odis..and jsut proves no one care about these loses.. statement form bcci was we beat them at home.. nothing to worry about and i will add to it.. u can judge me if u want.. but imo if we play with attitude like we played in australia,england and we will deserve to lose that series..

Let's say selectors do decide to remove dhoni as captain can you please suggest an alternate. Captains are groomed we got lucky with ganguly and dhoni our current alternates either don't have experience or struggling hanging on to their place in test side.

[carnish]

Some Fun Guys... Read the Kasab One esp. http://www.sportskeeda.com/2012/09/04/dhonis-fb-wall-after-series-win-against-kiwis/

[Old guy]

Let's say selectors do decide to remove dhoni as captain can you please suggest an alternate. Captains are groomed we got lucky with ganguly and dhoni our current alternates either don't have experience or struggling hanging on to their place in test side.

i can give u example of smith :) anyway if u want to go for experience ask zack to captain for year or two ask him to miss odis till then some one would be ready

[Crookbond]

i can give u example of smith :) anyway if u want to go for experience ask zack to captain for year or two ask him to miss odis till then some one would be ready

Dude, This is not Panjab university vice chancellor post FFS! :facepalm:

[Old guy]

Dude' date=' This is not Panjab university vice chancellor post FFS! :facepalm:[/quote'] well im not saying replace him...i responded to post where he said there is no one else. same thing happened when they groomed dhoni fyi...kumble captained for 2 odd years also south africa went through same phrase and they game smith captaincy so its not impossible in my orignal post i just asked why he isnt accountable at all ? why is he still captaining..and i just asked question would any other captain in world who would have survived 8-0 ? well not replace him but he should get some stick

[Lord]

Some Fun Guys... Read the Kasab One esp. http://www.sportskeeda.com/2012/09/04/dhonis-fb-wall-after-series-win-against-kiwis/

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[maniac]

well im not saying replace him...i responded to post where he said there is no one else. same thing happened when they groomed dhoni fyi...kumble captained for 2 odd years also south africa went through same phrase and they game smith captaincy so its not impossible in my orignal post i just asked why he isnt accountable at all ? why is he still captaining..and i just asked question would any other captain in world who would have survived 8-0 ? well not replace him but he should get some stick

Also there is no accountability for the 2 World T20 Debacles,follwed by our pathetic ranking in that format.....Not a lot of here care for this format but just like Dhoni got his start....shouldn't we have started grooming a younger captain here?

[asterix]

Some Fun Guys... Read the Kasab One esp. http://www.sportskeeda.com/2012/09/04/dhonis-fb-wall-after-series-win-against-kiwis/

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Asim]

I think time for Sachin and Afridi to take retirement from internationals and continue with domestic T20s...

[Old guy]

Also there is no accountability for the 2 World T20 Debacles' date='follwed by our pathetic ranking in that format.....Not a lot of here care for this format but just like Dhoni got his start....shouldn't we have started grooming a younger captain here?[/quote'] thats exactly my point there was no planning.. they simply dont care and its not such a bad idea .. if dhoni cant give chances to proper players in team,cant manage with bad bowling ttack then let some one else come in why cant zack be captain like kumble for 2 years? (im not saying this should be done just asking people's opinion ?

[jf1gp_1]

thats exactly my point there was no planning.. they simply dont care and its not such a bad idea .. if dhoni cant give chances to proper players in team,cant manage with bad bowling ttack then let some one else come in why cant zack be captain like kumble for 2 years? (im not saying this should be done just asking people's opinion ?

Yes let's make the guy who can't remain fit for 5 games captain if not him let's make kohli the Captain. I am not convinced dhoni needs to be replaced right now maybe 1~2 yes from now to do that identify the successor today and make him vice captain in all formats.

[Old guy]

Yes let's make the guy who can't remain fit for 5 games captain if not him let's make kohli the Captain. I am not convinced dhoni needs to be replaced right now maybe 1~2 yes from now to do that identify the successor today and make him vice captain in all formats.

he can easily play all tests if he opts out from odis

[rkt.india]

Pace a worry in Tendulkar's twilight - Martin Crowe

Sachin Tendulkar's instant angry reaction to being bowled by Tim Southee in the second innings in Bangalore was very revealing. His raising of his bat as if to strike out at something appeared to be a show of anger at committing one more mistake: missing another straight delivery. Not only has he never before committed mistakes one after another to such an extent, but he has also never shown such emotion upon dismissal. It was indeed a striking moment. For the first time we may well have seen his 'nerve' show signs of twitching. What has been his greatest strength for well over two decades - his mental toughness and ice-cool nerve under pressure - has finally been exposed ever so slightly, leaving him questioning something deep within. However, it's only the first sign and means his nerve, theoretically, should hold up for a lot longer yet. The problem is, like many fine players before him, once it starts it can all come crashing down in a hurry if awareness is not first embraced. As Sanjay Manjreker rightly pointed out, Tendulkar should work his way out of this hole he is in. That's on the mental level, but what about on the physical level? Let me explain this hole I refer to. As we all know, Tendulkar is in his 40th year, having endured 23 years of constant grind, scoring the ultimate achievement: 100 International centuries. It's remarkable really that he has even lasted this long, just as it was that Richard Hadlee did amazing things in his 40th year too. That Tendulkar has lasted this long is due to this astonishing, insatiable love for the game. The hunger to continue to score runs for India, the desire to train just as hard as he used to, the mental toughness to put the unprecedented expectations aside - they are all phenomenal attributes. His other incredible attribute is his eyesight. For those who might say his eyesight his failing him, I will challenge that right here and now with a bit of personal scientific fact. Last year when I visited my optometrist to get proper reading glasses I expressed disappointment that my eyes were failing. He disagreed and he asked me if I would undergo the exact same hand-eye reaction test he put me through 20 years ago in Christchurch. I agreed and five minutes later he pulled out the result sheet from 1992 and compared them to the 2011 test. Staggeringly to me, my results clearly showed that I was 25% faster in 2011, at age 49, than I was age 30. Simply put, the eyes get better and better, despite my need to have a lens to see the page a foot in front of me. Hand-eye reaction is not Tendulkar's problem; he probably is better and faster with his hands than he was in 1992. But the one thing that he can't escape from is that the body is naturally slowing down. Firstly, the back and hamstrings are probably 10% less flexible, and his agility and speed down 10% too. Therefore while the eyes see the ball and the instinctive mind makes the right decision upon seeing the ball, Tendulkar will naturally find that he is not as quick as before. In particular, it is against fast bowling that his feet and body will find it increasingly hard to move quickly enough into position. Against spin he is absolutely fine and as good as anyone in the world. But despite batting brilliantly against Australia's fast men at the start of the year, a pattern began to emerge as to his dismissals: playing on, lbw, cleaned bowled. Now, nine months on, every team's analyst will tell every fast-bowling attack that, as New Zealand showed in recent weeks, anything over 135km pitched up full and his feet and body won't respond quickly or for long enough, anymore. Since Melbourne, where he batted like a dream, like a 29-year-old Tendulkar, it feels now as if the secret is out, and the angry moment from him in Bangalore was a small indicator that he instinctively knows something isn't right. With that moment revealed, everyone bowling to him from here on now knows. Technically, his back foot, and in particular his right heel, is planted to the ground. It is not moving with his front foot, it is arriving too late. His front foot moves and hovers forward as the ball is released, therefore both his feet point to the off side not straight to the ball, and then inadvertently he starts playing around his front foot and is either missing it or getting lbw. But he can fix it. He can get up onto his toes more and he can start to move his back foot fractionally up and down to get it activated. This will help him to start to move both feet when the ball is closing in. But there is no getting away from the probability that his days of playing fast bowling successfully for any decent length of time are coming to a close. Unless he found some extra agility and speed, his feet and body will simply not get quicker, or be quick enough. Turning back the clock physically would have to be a major sacrifice and one that would need total dedication to get there, and then maintain it. Question is, would he be prepared do that at this late stage of his career? He isn't a chaser of records, so that can't be a reason to stay on. He isn't the captain with his team in dire straits needing him, so that can't be a reason to stay on. He doesn't need anything really, as he simply has it all, so that can't be it either. So what is it that will keep him going? Only deep down will Tendulkar know, and playing South Africa next year, the No. 1 Test team with the best fast attack in the world, will not make whatever that reason is any easier to deal with. The god, I sadly suspect, is in the twilight of his career. But maybe Manjrekar is right and Tendulkar will be fine. Maybe, it just takes him a little bit more time to hit his stride these days. And if Tendulkar needs a bit more time to get the body striding forward again, then we all have the time to wait and watch in awe, even if it's only for one more magic century moment.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/581165.html

[G_B_]

too much has been made on sachin's pace issues. the fact is sachin has got a start in many of his innings. Its only an issue of kicking on. He was rusty for this series and with the ranji season coming up he will be able to concentrate on his batting before the english series Despite all of sachin's flaws he still averages 35 with the bat in the last 12 test matches (ie prior to the world cup) Compare that to 25 of Gambhir and 30 of Sehwag or even Raina....

[vvvslaxman]

Well Dravid's "bowleds" were analyzed too. It could be because of rustiness could be because of reflexes could be because of body slowing down.. could be because of anything.. but BCCI has to keep in mind that he cannot play forever for India with intermittent performances.