What does Bhuvi have to do to pick up wickets in India?

[NareshK]

I doubt its even an unknown factor. He is just not generating the type of swing he used to in the first few overs. As somebody rightly said, Mumbai is the swing bowlers paradise in India. Wankhede is located right next to the sea and there is plenty of breeze there. If you cant make it count there against a poor Windies batting with the new ball then its going to be hard against most other teams. This is what happens when your reliant on only one trait. Once that dries up you have nothing to fall back on. I think the only solution for Bhuvi is to generate more pace (which to be fair he has, last match v Windies i was bowling just above the 130 mark) and learn the art of reserve swing. Maybe Bhuvi needs to become a 135 bowler.

Pace is not the issue. He was bowling 135-136 in last match too and he bowled around 130 in Champions Trophy, WI tri series and earlier when he was successful. His main weapon is swing and in most conditions for ODIs in India, ball doesnt swing much. Even reverse swing wont work because of the 2 new ball rule and ball doesnt get scuffed up enough to assist reverse swing. The Pakistan series and England series was played in conditions which helped seam/swing bowling. He has to get used to bowling a tight line and length and keep runs to a minimum when he is bowling in India. He is doing a decent job at that. Dont expect him to repeat his earlier performances in India.

[Temujin Khaghan]

As I have said in other threads, we and our management and captain do not know how to groom and keep our bowlers except spinners. That is why our bowlers will always regress instead of improving If I was BK, my confidence would completely regress from the lack of confidence my captain shows in me. For a batsman, we allow him whatever freedom he wants. Despite Raina's limitations, he is given so many chances up the order. On the other hand, the role of BK has kept on decreasing in the team. If I were in his place, I would start questioning my place in the team. Five overs in the last ODIs? How many overs each test? Written off even before getting a fair chance? He is a young bowler with a sharp brain so I am pretty sure he will learn a lot if given chance. Slower balls, other skills. But all of these can only happen in match situations. If you do not even give him a chance, how will he learn? People like Vaas, etc were great death bowlers because of this. We give Sharma 100 chance to learn different aspects of the game but not young bowlers. Our bowlers are always branded because of this mis-management. All medium bowlers from every team gets a chance at the death but not BK. How will he even learn? Make no mistake, Shami is going the other way. If Zaheer and Yadav come into the team, Shami will be branded a death bowler or a reverse swing bowler and will hardly get opportunity with the new ball. Dhoni does not even take pitches into account before doing this Our captain does not understand attacking bowling. His USP is strangling opposition with tight lines, particularly with spinners. Shami was great with the old ball, but this is not the strategy Dhoni will build around IMO, BK's confidence has been shattered, he doesn't even look the same bowler, he doesn't run in with the same confidence. He is concentrating on keeping runs down because he himself thinks that's his role. In short, he is going the same route of every Indian bowler in history. Unfortunately, I don't see anything different in the coming days. Our people do not know how to back bowlers and bring the best out of them. They will always play second fiddle to batting. The lack of a bowling role model and a captain who doesn't understand bowling will always hurt us. In only the last few matches, he has regressed completely as a bowler. He at least used to look threatening before. He knows he has zero confidence from his captain

awesome post

[express bowling]

Dhoni's handling of promising , wicket taking pacers is very very disappointing. He has done all he can to discourage Umesh, Bhuvi, Aaron and now Shami. But always gives much more leeway to Ishant and VK, bowlers who are not wicket takers. Why are Ishant and VK death bowlers and BK is not ,according to Dhoni, I will never understand. How could he have been worse than them. Now, he is thinking that Unadkat is a new ball bowler and Shami is not -- again why ?

[express bowling]

Pace is not the issue. He was bowling 135-136 in last match too and he bowled around 130 in Champions Trophy, WI tri series and earlier when he was successful. His main weapon is swing and in most conditions for ODIs in India, ball doesnt swing much. Even reverse swing wont work because of the 2 new ball rule and ball doesnt get scuffed up enough to assist reverse swing. The Pakistan series and England series was played in conditions which helped seam/swing bowling. He has to get used to bowling a tight line and length and keep runs to a minimum when he is bowling in India. He is doing a decent job at that. Dont expect him to repeat his earlier performances in India.

So, how would he get wickets in Indian tests if swing is his main weapon and it swings only for short periods in India. CT was played in England and taking wickets at 127 k is not a problem there. The conditions were favourable for swing bowlers in WI too. Pace is not necessarily an issue there. But how will he take wickets in conditions not aiding swing if he gently places the ball and there is no movement ? You tell me.

[Forever Indian]

This is not the right time to asses this I suppose. India has just 2 more ODIs in India, after which it's going to be a long time away from home. So let's assess after that. Maybe by that time Dhoni would have more confidence in Bhuvi and bowl him in death as well.

[Soorma_Bhopali]

BK is fine as of now. We will give him more matches to learn and improve. This is how bowlers evolve their game. Let him play until he is bowling really badly like PK used to do in India.

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[panther]

Lack of pace, and one dimensional inswinger that can be seen from a mile away.

[SLICKR392]

Lack of pace' date=' and one dimensional inswinger [b']that can be seen from a mile away.

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[G_B_]

to be fair its the pakistani batsman. they probably cant see an inswinger even if its delivered from mars.

[panther]

to be fair its the pakistani batsman. they probably cant see an inswinger even if its delivered from mars.

Basically this, plus he was new back then.

[adi B]

Jury is still out on all the bowlers Umesh' date=' Shami, Bhuvan everyone. IN the first Shami took 9. In the 2nd test just 2 wickets. Most of the wickets he took were tailenders and and out of form Samuels. So we still have to wait and see. I want bowlers who bowl well in foreign conditions more than India. In India ultimately spinners will decide the fate. Our batsmen can outbat most of the oppositions. If they bowl sh&&te abraod do well only at home frankly they are useless in the grand scheme of things. Even Zak often gets less overs in Indian conditions as spinners will take over very soon.[/quote'] totally agree..bhuvi is good as long he does well in away tours,hi E/R is comparatively good at home,good bowler

[sekhar]

Jury is still out on all the bowlers Umesh' date=' Shami, Bhuvan everyone. IN the first Shami took 9. In the 2nd test just 2 wickets. Most of the wickets he took were tailenders and and out of form Samuels. So we still have to wait and see. I want bowlers who bowl well in foreign conditions more than India. In India ultimately spinners will decide the fate. Our batsmen can outbat most of the oppositions. If they bowl sh&&te abraod do well only at home frankly they are useless in the grand scheme of things. Even Zak often gets less overs in Indian conditions as spinners will take over very soon.[/quote'] Agree but when you are up against a quality side let say england who are playing spin quite well..you need help from your fast bowlers. That doesn't happened when they were here last time. yadav got injured after 1st test and it really affects our bowling for the rest of the series...the way yadav bowled in ahmedabad test, who knows what could have been the fate of the series had he played the whole series. IMO the role of fast bowler is as important in subcontinental conditions as in overseas conditionss.

[cowboysfan]

I agree with MTC on one aspect-Dhoni has already deemed Bhuvi a bad death bowler even though there is no evidence to support it,surely he is better than the VKs and Ishants of the world? atleast give him a chance to fail in the death.

[vayuu1]

He needs to increase his pace a bit,and work on his yorkers and slower balls,haven't seen a well disguised slower ball from Indian bowlers since zak.

[helperononline]

bhuvi is not made for odi need to replace him with ishant vinay :agree:

[Texan]

I think he is being over-analyzed. I thought he bowled beautifully on the first morning of the Mumbai Test. Very unlucky not to have got the wickets to show for his efforts. He is very talented and should be persisted with. One of the few bowlers who can land each ball on the seam and if there is any help in the pitch, can exploit it.

[Texan]

bhuvi is not made for odi need to replace him with ishant vinay :agree:

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[Texan]

I agree with MTC on one aspect-Dhoni has already deemed Bhuvi a bad death bowler even though there is no evidence to support it' date='surely he is better than the VKs and Ishants of the world? atleast give him a chance to fail in the death.[/quote'] Exactly. He does not even give him a chance, just says that he lacks pace and cannot bowl at the death. And then he bowls VK as though VK is some super-fast bowler :giggle:

[express bowling]

Pace is not a necessity for good death bowling unless a pacer can bowl yorkers at will. Intelligence and accuracy is. Plus the ability to bowl yorkers, slower balls and not giving width. So, Bhuvi can become a good death bowler if he practices.

[cowboysfan]

Pace is not a necessity for good death bowling unless a pacer can bowl yorkers at will. Intelligence and accuracy is. Plus the ability to bowl yorkers, slower balls and not giving width. So, Bhuvi can become a good death bowler if he practices.

maybe he already has those skills!! Dhoni has assumed he doesnt though and thats all that matters.