Cricketics Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I feel ODI series will be a slog fest. I see lof runs being leaked, and then test will be totally opposite.
King Tendulkar Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 what do they mean by hitting the wicket hard? Need tall bowler Basically Ishant must play all games
rkt.india Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 what do they mean by hitting the wicket hard? It means not float or just loop the ball on the pitch like usually Indian bowlers are used to with SG balls in Indian conditions but bowl it on the surface and hit it even when you are bowling fuller like Philander and Ryan Harris do. This helps in getting seam and bounce out of the track. Hitting the deck does not mean bowling short. This was difference between Indian bowlers at Durban. They hti the deck harder got life out of the pitch, even Philander at his 135ish pace.
rkt.india Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Need tall bowler Basically Ishant must play all games Ishant's issue is not hitting the seam and inconsistency. It was Shami who they were talking about in OP.
King Tendulkar Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Ishant's issue is not hitting the seam and inconsistency. It was Shami who they were talking about in OP. point was it lloks like dhoni coming out with all kinds of weird reasons why a poor ishant must still play
rkt.india Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 point was it lloks like dhoni coming out with all kinds of weird reasons why a poor ishant must still play Ishant will play no matter what he does in the nets or how poor his basics have been and he did bowl well in ODIs in SA.
AnkurUpadhyay Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 India seek clarity over No. 4 slot The New Zealand tour will give India a glimpse of the man who could possibly take over from Yuvraj Singh as the first choice No. 4 ODI batsman in time to come This trip to New Zealand will provide several young India players their first taste of international cricket in the country. India will also get to play at some of the venues for the 2015 World Cup. Apart from those broader experiences, this tour will also give India a glimpse of the man who could possibly take over from Yuvraj Singh as the first choice No. 4 ODI batsman in time to come. Who will be that man? Will it be the back-up No. 4 Suresh Raina, who has long wanted to bat up the order? Will it be Ajinkya Rahane, who after quite some time on the sidelines, has slowly started to exert his presence? Or will it be Ambati Rayudu, who has travelled with the squad without playing much? During the home series against Australia in October, India had sent Raina ahead of Yuvraj to try and increase their options for the No. 4 position, with an aim to give the backup sufficient exposure ahead of the World Cup. MS Dhoni had said that if Yuvraj's form and health held up till the World Cup, he would continue to be the preferred No. 4. Only two short series later, against West Indies and South Africa, Yuvraj has been dropped for lack of form, and the New Zealand tour has become a lot more important for the claimants to the No. 4 spot. Had Yuvraj travelled to New Zealand, he and Raina would have completed the first-choice top five, leaving no room for Rahane or Rayudu, barring an injury or acutely wretched form. Now at least one of them, if not both, will get their chance over five ODIs. While Rahane finally got a run in Tests in South Africa following Sachin Tendulkar's retirement, in ODIs, their positions appear far from settled. Rayudu debuted and played four ODIs compared to Rahane's one on the Zimbabwe tour last July, and came in at No. 4 each time. Even Cheteshwar Pujara, who has somehow barely been in the ODI framework, played more games than Rahane on that trip. However, in South Africa, Rahane was the chosen replacement when an injured Yuvraj missed the Durban ODI. He then made 47, 15, 51* and 96 in the two Tests, providing the kind of solidity which India have generally lacked at No. 6 since the departure of Sourav Ganguly in 2008. Rahane's relatively tight technique, as compared to Rayudu's, can be very useful at No. 4, especially with the next World Cup in Australia and New Zealand in mind. His ability to build an innings can even free up Virat Kohli to further play his naturally aggressive game at No. 3. Rahane has also shown in Twenty20s, both domestic and international, that he can score quickly. How well he can balance the changing demands a long No. 4 ODI knock brings will have to be seen. Where Rayudu scores over Rahane is on the power front. He has demonstrated several times in the IPL what a destructive hitter he can be. Compared to Rahane, Rayudu is more like Yuvraj in the sense that his natural instinct is to attack. He will defend the good deliveries, but that will be after reluctantly concluding that he has no scoring options. Like Yuvraj, he can be pretty nervy early in his innings. He has had more than his share of issues in the past, but with a supportive state association and a steady IPL stint, he has become much calmer. With the new fielding restrictions, Rayudu could be another link in the batting order of power-hitters on flat home pitches, although Rahane appears to be the more viable all-condition option. One of these two could stake a strong claim over No. 4 in the New Zealand ODIs, but it is possible that neither might, especially if the team management decides to give the preferred backup Raina more exposure in the slot. Raina batted four innings at No. 4 in the Australia series. Each time he got a start, and each time he did not convert it into a big score, with a highest of 39 in Pune that was cut short by his favoured heave, a mis-hit to third man. Whether Raina has the appetite to bat long in ODIs has been questioned in the past, but Dhoni had countered that by saying he needed to be given more time to adapt, having batted at lower positions for most of his career. Apart from the above three batsmen, two left-field options could be Stuart Binny and Ravindra Jadeja. Dhoni is no stranger to left-field. He stuck and persevered with Jadeja in the XI while the world joked and laughed. Few are laughing now; Jadeja's bowling and fielding skills are there to be seen. He has come across as a limited batsman at international level, especially against the short ball. But two things must be said in his favour. He bats way down the order for him to have any time to think about constructing an innings. And as far as the short ball goes, the back-up No. 4's problems with it are almost legendary now, but they haven't removed Raina from the reckoning. Binny is untested with both bat and ball at international level. He comes across as a safer and more assured hitter than Jadeja in the IPL, but that tells us little of his ability to bat up the order. He does have seven first-class hundreds, the same as Jadeja. Dhoni has said that Binny can be called upon to score quick, late runs, to go with his swing bowling. Probably that is the only role the captain has for Binny at the moment, but one never knows, especially with Dhoni. He has made a successful opener out of a man who disappointed for so long in the middle order. Who does he have in mind as India's future ODI No. 4? Source : http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/content/story/710461.html For me, it would have been perfect to give Pujara a chance in our ODI set up. He is a perfect player to partner Dhawan at the top with Rohit/Rahane playing at 4. If Dhoni decides to persist with Raina in next WC, then he should promote himself to No. 5 followed by Raina. If Dhoni decides to go ahead with Rahane, then Rohit should come at no. 5. According to me, this should be our batting order : Pujara/Rohit Dhawan Kohli Rohit/Rahane Dhoni/Rohit/Rahane Raina/Dhoni Jadeja
Lord Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 gotta be Rahane for now.can give Pujara chance if he fails
carnish Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 ZOL needs to be drafted in .. Seems good for ODIs now.
rkt.india Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 so hitting the deck hard means not pitching it up ' date='so one can hit the deck hard at 135 as well as float it up at 135[/quote'] It means hit the deck even if you pitch it up and not float. Like Harris and Pattinson, they pitch up but still hit the deck hard and bend their backs and not float. BK and Harris are two great comparisons. BK is a floater with good seam to get swing as he has played all his cricket in India. You must have heard commies likes of Pollock saying kissing the pitch that is called floating. Hitting the pitch means, you bend your back more and there are two types of grips loose grip if you want the ball to release and get swing and tight grip if you want to hit the deck and get seam movement. Even our non-swing bowler like Ishant does not hit as hard as Aussie and Saffer bowlers. You need strong shoulders, back and thighs for that.
rkt.india Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 but philander also hits the deck hard' date='doesnt he,but he aint quick,i mean what should a bowler do to hit the wicket hard should he increase his pace or shorten his length or both ?[/quote'] That is what I said. You can hit the deck even at 135. Asif used to do the same. I edited above post regarding this. Hitting the pitch means, you bend your back more and there are two types of grips loose grip if you want to release the ball with good seam and get swing in the air and tight grip if you want to hit the deck and get seam movement. You also need to be stronger to get purchase if you want to hit the deck. There was a stark difference between a Zak or Ishant and a Philander at Durban at a similar pace. In India, we have a lot of bowlers who release the ball likes of Deepak Chahar had a great debut. PK, BK, Sandeep Sharma, Basanth Mohanty, etc. and they all have been very successful in domestic cricket playing with SG ball. We do not have bowlers who can hit the deck even if they bowl full. First they are not strong enough and second they are not used to it.
JaFanatic Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Ind-NZ: 1st ODI pre match discussion Guys any idea about the pitch type and condition ? Most certainly we'll play on a green top but our bowling will be a concern anyway
Cricket_Hacker Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I dont think there will be real greentops,atleast for the ODI's
GolGappe Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 MY XI Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, Rahane, Raina, Dhoni, Binny, Jadeja, Aaron, Bhuvi, Pandey
MCcricket Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 If AARON AND SHAMI PLAY TOGETHER WE WILL HAVE A GOOD BOWLING UNIT, BOTH TARGET THE STUMPS AND BOWL A GOOD LENGTH LOOKING TO TAKE WICKETS ALSO BOTH MOVE THE BALL AT PACE, also hope to see Pandey against hope as we know Dhoni is a reta3d and never willing to learn , he doesn't care about tests and has no pride in loosing abroad or winning, also now he is already focusing on world cup in 2015 and that is what he is looking at.
JaFanatic Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I dont think there will be real greentops' date='atleast for the ODI's[/quote']Will be a bad idea if they choose to prepare a slow/flat wicket they wont stand a chance against our batting line up
puneet28 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Dhoni will play Ishant surely. Don't want Bhuvi to miss te game. What are your choices for other two fast bowlers ?
Forever Indian Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Dhoni will play Ishant surely. Don't want Bhuvi to miss te game. What are your choices for other two fast bowlers ? Aaron and Shami would be perfect combo with Bhuvi
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