rkt.india Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 In a bizarre and grotesque statement, the state Samajwadi Party (SP) chief Abu Azmi said women who were raped should also be punished. The statement came after this reporter questioned Azmi about SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav’s comments on rape. - Yadav had, at a rally in UP, said that the death sentence for as punishment for rape was too harsh. “Ladkon se aisi galtiyan ho jati hain, to iska matlab yeh to nahi ki unhe phaansi de di jaaye (Boys make mistakes, but this doesn’t mean you hang them),” he told the gathering (see box below 'What Mulayam Singh Yadav' said). To the gallows When this reporter asked for Azmi’s comments on his chief’s statements, he replied that rape was punishable by death in Islam. “Rape is punishable by hanging in Islam. But here, nothing happens to women, only to men. Even the woman is guilty.” He further added, “In India, if you have sex with a person with consent, it’s fine. But if that same person complains, it’s a problem. Nowadays, we see a lot of such cases. Girls complain when someone touches them, and even when someone doesn’t touch them. It becomes a problem then, and the man’s honour is ruined in this. If rape happens with or without consent, it should be punished as prescribed in Islam.” When asked for a solution to the problem of rapes, Azmi had this to say: “Solution is this: any woman if, whether married or unmarried, goes along with a man, with or without her consent, should be hanged. Both should be hanged. It shouldn’t be allowed even if a woman goes by consent.” On Mulayam After saying all this, Azmi remained pretty diplomatic about reacting to his boss’ comments. “What context has he spoken in? Sometimes, the wrong people go to the gallows. Josh mein ladke aisa kar jaate hai. I won’t speak against Islam,” he commented. Son disagrees However, his son Farhan Azmi, who is contesting from the Mumbai North Central constituency, disagreed with his father and party leader. “I believe a rapist should be hanged a hundred times. I have five sisters and everyone in my family believes the same.” The entire conversation: This is what Abu Aazmi said Reporter: Today Mulayam Singh made a statement in UP that the death penalty for rape was unfair, as “boys make mistakes”. Azmi: It’s the death penalty for rape in Islam. But here, nothing happens to the woman; only the man bears the punishment. But, even the woman is guilty. In India, if you consent to sex, there’s no problem. But if there’s a complaint, then there’s a problem. These days, the number of such cases has increased where girls go and complain whenever they want. If one touches them, they complain, and if no one touches them, they still complain. Then, the problem starts, and the man’s honour, which he has earned throughout his life, is destroyed. Rape with or without consent should be punishable as per Islam. Reporter: So, do you mean to say that the woman should be punished as well? Azmi: If a woman is caught, then both she and the boy should be punished. As per Islam, if someone has (sex) with consent, it’s the death penalty even then. In India, there’s death penalty for rape, but when there’s consent, there’s no death penalty. But, this is a question of life and death between consent and no consent. If you agree to be with someone, it’s okay. But the moment something goes wrong, and one gets angry and starts blackmailing, then the other person would be hanged; this is a serious issue. Reporter: So, what is the solution for this? Azmi: The solution is that if any girl, whether married or unmarried, goes with a guy with or without her consent, they should be hanged. Reporter: The girl should be hanged, too? Azmi: Yes, both should be hanged. Reporter: But we are not talking about sex with consent. The issue is rape. Azmi: As per Islam, rape deserves death penalty. If someone rapes a woman, she shouldn’t be punished, ladki to bechari hai. The whole country should stand with her. But, what is happening, on the other hand, is that if the girl goes and does it with consent, even that shouldn’t be allowed. Reporter: So according to you, sex with consent shouldn’t be allowed? Azmi: Obviously. No parents in our Indian culture would agree if their daughter goes out with another man, and indulges in something wrong. But, as per Islam, if a girl does it, she will be awarded the death penalty. What I mean is that if there’s rape, then there should be punishment. But on the other hand, as per Islam, if two people go to a hotel and have sex with consent, even that should be banned. They should be punished. Reporter: What punishment? Azmi: If I say something, that would be against my religion, but I won’t talk against my religion. The punishment should be death by hanging. Reporter: Do you agree with what Mulayam Singh Yadav says? Azmi: See, I don’t know what context he said it in. But, at times, the wrong people are awarded the death penalty. Boys do it in josh, but what can I say in this? The death sentence should be given. I won’t speak against Islam . What Mulayam Singh Yadav said At a rally in Moradabad, UP, the SP leader and former UP CM said that the death penalty was “unfair” as “boys make mistakes”. “Ladkon se aisi galtiyan ho jaati hain, to iska ye matlab nahin ki phaansi de di jaye (Boys do make such mistakes, but that does not mean that they should be sent to the gallows),” he said. Referring to the Shakti Mills rape case, Mulayam Singh, whose party is in power in Uttar Pradesh, said: “Two or three accused have been given the death sentence in Mumbai. We will change such laws when we come to power ... we will also ensure punishment of those who report false cases.” Three of the four men found guilty of gang-raping a 23-year-old photojournalist in the abandoned Shakti Mills in central Mumbai last August, were given death sentence after they were found guilty in another rape case. “If boys and girls have difference, and the girl goes and gives a statement that I have been raped, then the poor fellows are punished,” he continued. — Agencies - See more at: http://www.mid-day.com/articles/shocking-women-having-sex-should-be-hanged-says-abu-azmi/15222050#sthash.0mTXMZbJ.DXnJyj9P.dpuf
diga Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 somebody should ask him about Ayesha Takia, his daughter in law
G_B_ Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 this guy is really pulling out all the stops to get the muslim vote. works well for the sp and the bjp mind you. As a bjp supporter i dont mind that at all. blaze away mr khan
velu Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 He further added, “In India, if you have sex with a person with consent, it’s fine. But if that same person complains, it’s a problem. Nowadays, we see a lot of such cases. Girls complain when someone touches them, and even when someone doesn’t touch them. It becomes a problem then, and the man’s honour is ruined in this. If rape happens with or without consent, it should be punished as prescribed in Islam.†i think this guy read some of Raghavs post in ICF :--D
bihutoli Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 One can only hope its the beginning of the end for parties such as his, with leaders such as him.
Lord Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 there should be legal punishments for statements like this
EnterTheVoid Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 So, the first ones in line should be his mother, wife and daughter?
Brainfade Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Read this gem from back in 2001. Only 14, Bangladeshi girl charged with adultery was lashed to death By Farid Ahmed and Moni Basu, CNN March 29, 2011 7:09 p.m. EDT Darbesh Khan and his wife, Aklima Begum, had to watch their youngest daughter being whipped until she dropped. Darbesh Khan and his wife, Aklima Begum, had to watch their youngest daughter being whipped until she dropped. STORY HIGHLIGHTS Hena Akhter, in her last words to her mother, said she was innocent At first, an autopsy said she committed suicide But later, the ugly details of her case surfaced Her family says she was punished twice -- raped and then lashed Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN) -- Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70. Bloodied and bruised, she was taken to hospital, where she died a week later. Amazingly, an initial autopsy report cited no injuries and deemed her death a suicide. Hena's family insisted her body be exhumed. They wanted the world to know what really happened to their daughter. Sharia: illegal but still practiced Hena's family hailed from rural Shariatpur, crisscrossed by murky rivers that lend waters to rice paddies and lush vegetable fields. Hena was the youngest of five children born to Darbesh Khan, a day laborer, and his wife, Aklima Begum. They shared a hut made from corrugated tin and decaying wood and led a simple life that was suddenly marred a year ago with the return of Hena's cousin Mahbub Khan. Mahbub Khan came back to Shariatpur from a stint working in Malaysia. His son was Hena's age and the two were in seventh grade together. Khan eyed Hena and began harassing her on her way to school and back, said Hena's father. He complained to the elders who run the village about his nephew, three times Hena's age. The elders admonished Mahbub Khan and ordered him to pay $1,000 in fines to Hena's family. But Mahbub was Darbesh's older brother's son and Darbesh was asked to let the matter fade. Many months later on a winter night, as Hena's sister Alya told it, Hena was walking from her room to an outdoor toilet when Mahbub Khan gagged her with cloth, forced her behind nearby shrubbery and beat and raped her. Hena struggled to escape, Alya told CNN. Mahbub Khan's wife heard Hena's muffled screams and when she found Hena with her husband, she dragged the teenage girl back to her hut, beat her and trampled her on the floor. The next day, the village elders met to discuss the case at Mahbub Khan's house, Alya said. The imam pronounced his fatwa. Khan and Hena were found guilty of an illicit relationship. Her punishment under sharia or Islamic law was 101 lashes; his 201. Mahbub Khan managed to escape after the first few lashes. Darbesh Khan and Aklima Begum had no choice but to mind the imam's order. They watched as the whip broke the skin of their youngest child and she fell unconscious to the ground. "What happened to Hena is unfortunate and we all have to be ashamed that we couldn't save her life," said Sultana Kamal, who heads the rights organization Ain o Shalish Kendro. Bangladesh is considered a democratic and moderate Muslim country, and national law forbids the practice of sharia. But activist and journalist Shoaib Choudhury, who documents such cases, said sharia is still very much in use in villages and towns aided by the lack of education and strong judicial systems. The Supreme Court also outlawed fatwas a decade ago, but human rights monitors have documented more than 500 cases of women in those 10 years who were punished through a religious ruling. And few who have issued such rulings have been charged. The government needs to enact a specific law to deal with such perpetrators responsible for extrajudicial penalty in the name of Islam. --Sultana Kamal, head of rights organization Ain o Shalish Kendro. RELATED TOPICS Bangladesh Sharia Law Human Rights Policy Last month, the court asked the government to explain what it had done to stop extrajudicial penalty based on fatwa. It ordered the dissemination of information to all mosques and madrassas, or religious schools, that sharia is illegal in Bangladesh. "The government needs to enact a specific law to deal with such perpetrators responsible for extrajudicial penalty in the name of Islam," Kamal told CNN. The United Nations estimates that almost half of Bangladeshi women suffer from domestic violence and many also commonly endure rape, beatings, acid attacks and even death because of the country's entrenched patriarchal system. Hena might have quietly become another one of those statistics had it not been for the outcry and media attention that followed her death on January 31. 'Not even old enough to be married' Monday, the doctors responsible for Hena's first autopsy faced prosecution for what a court called a "false post-mortem report to hide the real cause of Hena's death." Public outrage sparked by that autopsy report prompted the high court to order the exhumation of Hena's body in February. A second autopsy performed at Dhaka Medical College Hospital revealed Hena had died of internal bleeding and her body bore the marks of severe injuries. Police are now conducting an investigation and have arrested several people, including Mahbub Khan, in connection with Hena's death. "I've nothing to demand but justice," said Darbesh Khan, leading a reporter to the place where his daughter was abducted the night she was raped. He stood in silence and took a deep breath. She wasn't even old enough to be married, he said, testament to Hena's tenderness in a part of the world where many girls are married before adulthood. "She was so small." Hena's mother, Aklima, stared vacantly as she spoke of her daughter's last hours. She could barely get out her words. "She was innocent," Aklima said, recalling Hena's last words. Police were guarding Hena's family earlier this month. Darbesh and Aklima feared reprisal for having spoken out against the imam and the village elders. They had meted out the most severe punishment for their youngest daughter. They could put nothing past them.
hhunaeh Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 this guy is really pulling out all the stops to get the muslim vote. works well for the sp and the bjp mind you. As a bjp supporter i dont mind that at all. blaze away mr khan :giggle:
Sachin=GOD Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Daughter-in-law Ayesha Takia slams Abu Azmi over ‘death penalty for sex’ remark Samajwadi Party leader Abu Azmi has courted a fresh controversy with his statement suggesting death penalty for women who go for sex with out without consent. The statement by the Maharashtra leader has evoked sharp criticism from across political fraternity and as well as other sections of the society. The latest criticism for the Samajwadi Party leader has come from within his family. Bollywood actress Ayesha Takia, who is married to the son of Abu Azmi, has disapproved of the comments of her father-in-law. She took to twitter to express her displeasure over the statement of Azmi, saying she and her husband were “embarrassed and ashamed” if wot im reading about my father in laws statements r true then me and Farhan are deeply embarrassed n ashamed… — Ayesha Takia Azmi♡ (@Ayeshatakia) April 11, 2014 Takia further tweeted that the she and her husband did not share the mindset of Azmi, terming his comments as “disrespectful to women”. We surely do nottt share this mindset…its disrespectful to women.if these statements r true then its sad. — Ayesha Takia Azmi♡ (@Ayeshatakia) April 11, 2014 :hatsoff: for openly criticizing him where he is wrong.
hhunaeh Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Her husband is contesting from a mumbai constituency . :--D
bihutoli Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 When I first read of statements like this, the first thought that comes to mind is what if its his daughter/wife/etc.. almost willing this to happen. Then you read statements like Ayesha Takia's and feel ashamed.
SLICKR392 Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 there should be legal punishments for statements like this ++ BCs like him are not even dismissed for saying such ludicrous statements. Hell bent if these guys come into power in the national stage. Chop off his balls and silver pack it to Mulayam's door step.
ravishingravi Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I have a question. Why is this person saying this ? Yup.
asterix Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 I have a question. Why is this person saying this ? Yup. Some Muslim guys were condemned the death penalty for repeatedly raping female victims... So there...
ravishingravi Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Some Muslim guys were condemned the death penalty for repeatedly raping female victims... So there... Actually my question is why ? What informs this man's beliefs ? It is rhetorical question ofcourse.
Desi Cartman Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 this guy is really pulling out all the stops to get the muslim vote. works well for the sp and the bjp mind you. As a bjp supporter i dont mind that at all. blaze away mr khan A lot of khap panchayats in North India will agree with most of Azam's views as well.
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