Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

I saw fastest at 139.8 from Bumrah.

I am also unable to watch the game consistently. Following up mostly on apps.

 

I have seen 141.6 k and a couple more at 140+ from Bumrah. Mostly 136 to 138.8 k range. 

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

I don't think even now TM has any vision. 

 

Everyone is waiting for the messiah "Shami" to comeback and everything will be alright.

 

 

What are their plans after Shami and if Bumrah is missing ?

 

Harshit is not wanted by Rohit. Does he feel that Siraj, Akash snd Mukesh will win him away tests if Bumrah has a niggle ? 

[Suhaan]

33 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Siraj 141 k bouncer flies over Pant.

 

Next ball, another quick looking ball with bounce dismisses Cummins. 

 

This extra pace is needed. 

This Aussie lot is scared of pace barring Mavericks like Head, Warner

[singhvivek141]

16 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

What are their plans after Shami and if Bumrah is missing ?

 

Harshit is not wanted by Rohit. Does he feel that Siraj, Akash snd Mukesh will win him away tests if Bumrah has a niggle ? 

Rohit doesnt want Akash as well.

He always underbowls him.

 

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Rohit doesnt want Akash as well.

He always underbowls him.

 

 

So who does he want if experienced pacers are missing ?

[ind_hyd1]

Time up for virat and Rohit unless they score centuries.Also time to include someone with extra pace ( not sure there is anyone in the wings now)

[Suhaan]

52 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Rohit doesnt want Akash as well.

He always underbowls him.

 

Rohit is g###u

[MK55]

I just saw the scores. Such an epic egg on the face this has been lol.

 

Head with yet another 150? In a way this was expected. I just don’t see the bowling resources to get him out. He relishes medium pace short height bowling. AKA Indian bowlers lately.

U don’t need sledging and histrionics on the field. You need guys who can trouble him with pace by bowling at his body.

 

Also this is the typical Australian pitch. Bowling in the 130s is just not going to cut it unless you’re some kind of an exception.

 

With the resources we are carrying, I’d go with Bumrah Rana and Prasidh. And first 25 balls need to be all at heads head and ribs regardless of what he scores.

[MK55]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

This Aussie lot is scared of pace barring Mavericks like Head, Warner

Head is terrible against pace. Coetzee made him look like a clown in SA and broke his hand.

 

Also Warner (in his later years) who scored so freely looked absolutely pedestrian when Nortje was cranking it up.

 

Edited December 15, 2024 by MK55

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

So who does he want if experienced pacers are missing ?

I don't think he has any plans.

Plus he is nearing his retirement, don't have any long term vision or motivation left.

 

Just want to enjoy with the experienced bowlers and then retire.

[Suhaan]

24 minutes ago, MK55 said:

I just saw the scores. Such an epic egg on the face this has been lol.

 

Head with yet another 150? In a way this was expected. I just don’t see the bowling resources to get him out. He relishes medium pace short height bowling. AKA Indian bowlers lately.

U don’t need sledging and histrionics on the field. You need guys who can trouble him with pace by bowling at his body.

 

Also this is the typical Australian pitch. Bowling in the 130s is just not going to cut it unless you’re some kind of an exception.

 

With the resources we are carrying, I’d go with Bumrah Rana and Prasidh. And first 25 balls need to be all at heads head and ribs regardless of what he scores.

I can understand  Rana but TM cannot risk Prasidh,he will tremble once he gets hit for few boundaries

And most of our high pace bowlers are injury prone,they are left with only Siraj,Akash, Arshdeep

Edited December 15, 2024 by Suhaan

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Suhaan said:

I can understand  Rana but TM cannot risk Prasidh,he will tremble once he gets hit for few boundaries

 

not different from what is currently being seen.

atleast he can use the bounce better.

[MK55]

Just now, Suhaan said:

I can understand  Rana but TM cannot risk Prasidh,he will tremble once he gets hit for few boundaries 

I mean you gotta take a chance now. He bowled decently in the A games. 
 

I just don’t see these guys having any impact on medium pace short of height bullies besides Bumrah.  
 

[MK55]

Also can someone please give some more clarity on what I’m seeing with Aakash Deep?

The first test match he played he bowls at 140-144 consistently combined with  good line n lengths. That pace made him equally awkward. Almost gave the impression that he can be an ideal replacement for Shami.

 

And since then his pace is nowhere close to that level. Is this guy only wanting to put in effort to get into the side and then thinks it’s all finished after that???

 

I don’t care what the reason is. He needs to work on his fitness and bowl at that same intensity most of the times or at least in some of his spells if he doesn’t have that stamina or action to sustain pace. 

 

[Rightarmfast]

It is not about pace at all. It's the attitude that is missing. and one can see in the body language. Bowlers do not need to be introspected if they are not bowling 140/144/145 and whatever! 

A lot depends on the pitch, weather, your bowling partner and the mood of the team. I do not think the team is relishing playing under Rohit at all. 

 

All the bowlers are bowling nippy enough. The same battery of bowlers will wreak havoc under a different leader, in different mood, on a different pitch.. another day another time. 

Rohit has been doing eeny meenie moinie moo. The day he didnt need to choose batting first, he chose batting, and the day he did not need to bowl first, he chose bowling. He is committing 2 mistakes to negate 1 mistake. He needs rest.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Rana, Aakash, Siraj, and Bumrah bowling together. That would be a good attack. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

Hayden talking about the need for speed in the air to succeed in Australia as pacers. 

 

Says that only Bumrah and Harshit have it. They are the ones who can be consistently 140 k+ in some spells. 

Hate to keep going back to the 2020-21 BGT matches, but that Indian team succeeded without this pace blueprint in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. Even Bumrah was not available in Brisbane where we won with Siraj, Natarajan, Thakur and Saini. Maybe the Ozzie batting is stronger (simply due to the addition of Travis Head), but their captain and bowling is quite the same as 4 yrs ago. India's current attack - on paper - is better and certainly quicker than that one. So, what's the issue?

Edited December 15, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, MK55 said:

Also can someone please give some more clarity on what I’m seeing with Aakash Deep?

The first test match he played he bowls at 140-144 consistently combined with  good line n lengths. That pace made him equally awkward. Almost gave the impression that he can be an ideal replacement for Shami.

 

And since then his pace is nowhere close to that level. Is this guy only wanting to put in effort to get into the side and then thinks it’s all finished after that???

 

I don’t care what the reason is. He needs to work on his fitness and bowl at that same intensity most of the times or at least in some of his spells if he doesn’t have that stamina or action to sustain pace. 

 

He has bowled 140+ in domestic too but since his dengue, he hasn't regained his pace back.

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Hate to keep going back to the 2020-21 BGT matches, but that Indian team succeeded without this pace blueprint in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. Even Bumrah was not available in Brisbane where we won with Siraj, Natarajan, Thakur and Saini. Maybe the Ozzie batting is stronger (simply due to the addition of Travis Head), but their captain and bowling is quite the same as 4 yrs ago. India's current attack - on paper - is better and certainly quicker than that one. So, what's the issue?

Our batting, which hasn't crossed 200 except one inning so bowlers are consistently under pressure to dismiss opposition cheaply and trying too hard. Trying too hard can make lose control.

[Suhaan]

Just now, rkt.india said:

Our batting, which hasn't crossed 200 except one inning so bowlers are consistently under pressure to dismiss opposition cheaply and trying too hard. Trying too hard can make lose control.

Correct,they are constantly under pressure to deliver everytime and are under scrutiny everytime

A good batting line-up atleast puts up 350+ on sporting wickets on average but we get bowled out in less than 50 overs in red ball on those wickets

That puts immense pressure on bowlers,you will get to see it tomorrow itself they will get bowled out under 200 on this pitch

[Lone Wolf]

Harshit might have been ideal on this kinda track.

You need more Air speed in Brisbane or a left arm angle in variation.

 

Bouncer tactics were right but likes of Siraj and Akash aren't quick enough to soften someone like Head.