Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

If Bumrah does not recover from injury then we will play.

 

 

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Harshal

9. Bhuvi

10. Chahal

11. Arshdeep

Bumrah will be fit...  He is having a long break.  At least I hope so. 

[Mesky99]

 

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

We are playing Pakistan at the end of this month

 

And they have chosen an attack of Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, Dahani snd Wasim.Jr.

 

No medium pacers and mostly attacking bowlers who want to take wickets.

 

If Bumrah continues to be injured then we will play a totally medium paced attack with most pacers being defensive and run stopping types.

 

T20 cricket is still a gamble and anything can happen ... but their pace bowling is looking much stronger on paper. 

Well at the end when the final squad is selected for the t20 world cup nothing would have changed from the last t20 world cup, we lacked attacking wicket taking pacers then and it was pretty obvious good hostile pace was needed, bumrah has not played much t20i cricket this year and not sure which bumrah will turn up, bhuvi had a few good outings against eng but so far nothing great against wi, Mayer's and king yesterday played him with the ease which Rizwan and Babar did, if bumrah, bhuvi and harshal is the line up then sadly that's nothing great in those Aussie conditions, we had many series to try out different seamers instead of messing around with the batting order they could have tried out Mohsin, tyagi and Kuldeep Sen in this series with Siraj, pretty obvious dravid is building a defensive attack which at best would keep the opposition at 168-6 etc. 

[express bowling]

51 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

 

Well at the end when the final squad is selected for the t20 world cup nothing would have changed from the last t20 world cup, we lacked attacking wicket taking pacers then and it was pretty obvious good hostile pace was needed, bumrah has not played much t20i cricket this year and not sure which bumrah will turn up, bhuvi had a few good outings against eng but so far nothing great against wi, Mayer's and king yesterday played him with the ease which Rizwan and Babar did, if bumrah, bhuvi and harshal is the line up then sadly that's nothing great in those Aussie conditions, we had many series to try out different seamers instead of messing around with the batting order they could have tried out Mohsin, tyagi and Kuldeep Sen in this series with Siraj, pretty obvious dravid is building a defensive attack which at best would keep the opposition at 168-6 etc. 

 

 

In T20s, the main difference in approach that I see in pace bowling between the 2 teams is that .... we want to take pace off and stop runs ... while the Pakistanis want to put pace on and take wickets.

 

And our approach hasn't really worked for a long time in big matches. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by express bowling

[Mesky99]

32 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

In T20s, the main difference in approach that I see in pace bowling between the 2 teams is that .... we want to take pace off and stop runs ... while the Pakistanis want to put pace on and take wickets.

 

And our approach hasn't really worked for a long time in big matches. 

It's the big matches when it matters the most you need out and out quality to win you games, even if conditions suit certain bowling type at best that sort of bowling will come out with reasonable figures, I just don't think anyone in this line up can close out a game on his own in a crunch situation, it was so important for the selectors to try out atleast one express/quick pacer but they didn't sadly, Siraj as that kind of ability but the guy is always playing for his place in LOI with the fear of getting dropped once bumrah and bhuvi are back

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

In T20s, the main difference in approach that I see in pace bowling between the 2 teams is that .... we want to take pace off and stop runs ... while the Pakistanis want to put pace on and take wickets.

 

And our approach hasn't really worked for a long time in big matches. 

Bhuvi has been super poor since 2017/18 still getting opportunities while others are always under the threat of getting kicked out

Selectors try to loacate a bhuvi in every new bowler they try in LOIs ie one who is economical, without sparing a thought on importance of picking wickets early

Don't know how long Bhuvi can carry his form(England) in the build to WC My scare is he may well be played in WC23 at home

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

we want to take pace off and stop runs ... while the Pakistanis want to put pace on and take wickets.

Sums up our entire mentality, we are too conservative in our thought process.
Everyone will laud Shoaib, Lee for their pace, but don't want to play them for India because they can "leak runs".

 

That's why their bowlers have better wkts/match ratio in general than ours.

[express bowling]

Arshdeep has a good head on his shoulders ... is tall ... is young ... understands death bowling ... can swing the ball ... has a good yorker.

 

Only things lacking are a bit of pace, zip off the deck and bounce.

 

He has hit top speeds of 142 kph in two of the last 3 T20Is. And few more around 140 k. But it would help him if he can bowl a few more at 140 k+ and more importantly bowl with a bit more zip and bounce.

 

Ability to hurry batsmen regularly is very important if he wants to be a true wicket taker.

 

As he is just 23, ambitious and tall ... I am hopeful that he would add a bit of pace, zip and bounce and become a more complete pacer.

 

P.S .. Liked 3 or 4 of his sharp indipping yorkers and a bouncer which kept climbing. This shows that he has the ability to be sharp and must work hard to improve these aspects. 

 

 

 

 

[Vk1]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

Arshdeep has a good head on his shoulders ... is tall ... is young ... understands death bowling ... can swing the ball ... has a good yorker.

 

Only things lacking are a bit of pace, zip off the deck and bounce.

 

He has hit top speeds of 142 kph in two of the last 3 T20Is. And few more around 140 k. But it would help him if he can bowl a few more at 140 k+ and more importantly bowl with a bit more zip and bounce.

 

Ability to hurry batsmen regularly is very important if he wants to be a true wicket taker.

 

As he is just 23, ambitious and tall ... I am hopeful that he would add a bit of pace, zip and bounce and become a more complete pacer.

 

P.S .. Liked 3 or 4 of his sharp indipping yorkers and a bouncer which kept climbing. This shows that he has the ability to be sharp and must work hard to improve these aspects. 

 

 

 

 

need to see if he can replicate this in odis..

[Need4Speed]

On 8/3/2022 at 6:59 AM, express bowling said:

 

 

 

If Bumrah does not recover from injury then we will play.

 

 

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Harshal

9. Bhuvi

10. Chahal

11. Arshdeep

so this means Hardik will be our only hit the deck bolwer..and we will injure him again putting all the load on him

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

so this means Hardik will be our only hit the deck bolwer..and we will injure him again putting all the load on him

he has to the job , neways who else is doing that job well in t20s ?

 

He is doing that job better then any 

• More experience and control then umran
• Better LOI bowler then prasidh, thakur and avesh currently . His middle over bowling in recent times has been world class . 
• Hits the deck harder then arsh/ harshal and obv higher on pace too 
  
   

Hardik-Bumrah-Chahal-Jaddu-Arsh/harshal will have to do the middle over job and its actually a very good middle over attack since they dont leak runs much apart from jaddu who is basically a 6th bowler. 

 

Injured hona hi hai nets men bhi ho sakta hai batting karte waqt bhi ho sakta hai 

Edited August 4, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Need4Speed]

45 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he has to the job , neways who else is doing that job well in t20s ?

 

He is doing that job better then any 

• More experience and control then umran
• Better LOI bowler then prasidh, thakur and avesh currently . His middle over bowling in recent times has been world class . 
• Hits the deck harder then arsh/ harshal and obv higher on pace too 
  
   

Hardik-Bumrah-Chahal-Jaddu-Arsh/harshal will have to do the middle over job and its actually a very good middle over attack since they dont leak runs much apart from jaddu who is basically a 6th bowler. 

 

Injured hona hi hai nets men bhi ho sakta hai batting karte waqt bhi ho sakta hai 

ya Hardik bowling well has improved our chnaces..but that was not a dig on Hardik..it was dig on us not able to produce consistent pace\hit the deck bowlers..to support Bumrah..and reduce some pressure from Hardik..and also not able to produce bowlers who can bat decently enough..so our lower order is stronger

Edited August 4, 2022 by Need4Speed

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

ya Hardik bowling well has improved our chnaces..but that was not a dig on Hardik..it was dig on us not able to produce consistent pace\hit the deck bowlers..to support Bumrah..and reduce some pressure from Hardik..and also not able to produce bowlers who can bat decently enough..so our lower order is stronger

Lets not think what we dont have or try to create something that we dont . Its better to look for players in role like PP bowler -Middle Phase -Death phase 

In few yrs that hard length high pace bowler issue will be soughted we have likes of Umran who will get better with time , Avesh also has the talent just that execution has gone haywire . Kuldeep sen in coming yrs can be another guy (long shot but looked to have tools for that role)

 

We have spinners to share load in middle overs, Actually shardul wont do badly in australia . 

[express bowling]

10 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

it was dig on us not able to produce consistent pace\hit the deck bowlers..to support Bumrah..and reduce some pressure from Hardik..and also not able to produce bowlers who can bat decently enough..so our lower order is stronger

 

 

Bumrah  being fit and hitting the deck hard at full pace, would be very critical for us.

 

His absence would change the whole complexion of our attack. 

 

After all, he is the most accurate 145 k hit-the-deck bowler in the history of cricket with supreme white ball skills.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Really liking Arshdeep's indipping yorkers.

 

Got 2 wickets at the death with them.

 

And he is setting up batters really well before those yorkers. 

 

If this guy can bowl a yard quicker, he can be an asset to Team India. He was about the some pace in his U19 days. Surely he can get a bit quicker.

 

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

32 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Really liking Arshdeep's indipping yorkers.

 

Got 2 wickets at the death with them.

 

And he is setting up batters really well before those yorkers. 

 

If this guy can bowl a yard quicker, he can be an asset to Team India. He was about the some pace in his U19 days. Surely he can get a bit quicker.

 

 

 

 

He was slower in u19. He has quickened up a bit.

[express bowling]

16 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He was slower in u19. He has quickened up a bit.

 

He was touching 140 k just before the U19 WC.

 

Do you think he can add pace ?

Edited August 6, 2022 by express bowling

[Chakdephatte]

17 hours ago, express bowling said:

He was touching 140 k just before the U19 WC.

 

Do you think he can add pace ?

 

He is faster than before. He is pulling bowling arm from closer to his body to delay the arm as much as he can.

Edited August 7, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

He is faster than before. He is pulling bowling arm from closer to his body to delay the arm as much as he can.

 

He has issues with his run up. Not accelerating to the crease well enough or aggressively enough.

[express bowling]

Arshdeep bowled a big too slowly in his opening spell, even with his pace-on deliveries. Needs to work on this aspect as this pace won't work unless the ball is swinging a lot. 

 

Looks quicker in the end overs and does much better too.

 

 

[express bowling]

13 of the 22 Gold Medals that India have won, in the Commonwealth Games, have been in Weight-lifting, Wrestling and Boxing.

 

And some people have the gall to say that we are lacking in genetics when it comes to power and strength. 

Edited August 9, 2022 by express bowling