Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Mesky99]

19 minutes ago, Vijy said:

also chintan gaja, nagwaswalla, and unacutter. all gujju "pace" attack

Atleast gujarat keeps producing seamers unadkat is a lot faster than all the filth Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra produces bar prasidh. Pandya, munaf Patel, Irfan are all gujaratis, Rakesh Patel was quite talented.

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Atleast gujarat keeps producing seamers unadkat is a lot faster than all the filth Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra produces bar prasidh. Pandya, munaf Patel, Irfan are all gujaratis, Rakesh Patel was quite talented.

Andhra has Yarra but hasn't seen him play in a long time. Kushang Patel is also faster than anyone from TN or Andhra currently even Karnataka except prasidh.

Edited December 17, 2022 by rkt.india

[Mesky99]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Andhra has Yarra but hasn't seen him play in a long time. Kushang Patel is also faster than anyone from TN or Andhra currently even Karnataka except prasidh.

Yhh kushang looks decently quick, broad shouldered guy, Baba shafi Pathan looked quite impressive few years back for Baroda, Gujarat infact is a very talented cricketing state, Amar Singh was Gujarati, amarsinh nakum was his team name

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

Atleast gujarat keeps producing seamers unadkat is a lot faster than all the filth Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra produces bar prasidh. Pandya, munaf Patel, Irfan are all gujaratis, Rakesh Patel was quite talented.

munaf, irfan are much better than current bunch of "pacers" from Gujarat. Nowhere did I claim that Gujarat is producing the worst pacers in the country.  it is true that most S. Indian teams rely heavily on spinners, with TN being the most evident example. There was a time, however, when both Andhra and Hyd had decent pacers - not int'l level, but domestic stalwarts (e.g., vijaykumar). likewise, Karnataka had a decent pace attack even up to a few years ago, although Prasidh was the only "quick" bowler.

 

Unadcutter is not "a lot faster" than his fellow leftie Natarajan from TN, to pick just one example. Nattu did better in Aus tests despite being a T20 specialist than Unadcutter.

 

 

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Mohsin is a better bet for 9, I don't think he is a no 8 material.
You can say Arjun, Hangargekar are no 8 materials, Hangargekar hasn't put a foot wrong till now and Arjun also did good job so far this year. 

Both are primarily bowlers, with a bit of batting ability. 
9-11 is where we have to make a call if we're going with 1 spinner + 2 pacers or all 3 pacers.

yeah, I don't think he is no. 8 as well, even for LOIs. probably no. 9 or no. 10 material since he is less than likes of cummins, starc who bat at 8 or 9

[speedracer]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

munaf, irfan are much better than current bunch of "pacers" from Gujarat. Nowhere did I claim that Gujarat is producing the worst pacers in the country.  it is true that most S. Indian teams rely heavily on spinners, with TN being the most evident example. There was a time, however, when both Andhra and Hyd had decent pacers - not int'l level, but domestic stalwarts (e.g., vijaykumar). likewise, Karnataka had a decent pace attack even up to a few years ago, although Prasidh was the only "quick" bowler.

 

Unadcutter is not "a lot faster" than his fellow leftie Natarajan from TN, to pick just one example. Nattu did better in Aus tests despite being a T20 specialist than Unadcutter.

 

 

Nattu at his best a few years ago was touching 140 quite often. 135-142 ish. Then he got called for chucking. Had to remodel his action. Now he is around 132-138 ish. 

 

Tn have this guy in t20 lokesh raj who is rapid. Undacutter plain sucks. Quota pick fraud.

[singhvivek141]

10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Andhra has Yarra but hasn't seen him play in a long time. Kushang Patel is also faster than anyone from TN or Andhra currently even Karnataka except prasidh.

Kaverappa is as quick as Kushang.

 

[rkt.india]

36 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Kaverappa is as quick as Kushang.

 

Nah. Kaverappa is 128-130 ish bowler. Saw him bowl live under speed gun. Kushang Patel i have seen hitting high 130s.

Edited December 18, 2022 by rkt.india

[Suhaan]

7 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ban-vs-ind-wtc-1st-test-allan-donald-bangladesh-fast-bowlers-have-established-the-pack-mentality-1350075

Very very impressive approach ,but it is expected someone from Aus,SA

They rate pace bowling and have right kind of mentality towards it to harness maximum from pace

Unlike our setup which endorses safe meek cricket and fear of failure is deep instilled into a pace bowler even the wrist spinners

[rollingstoned]

15 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ban-vs-ind-wtc-1st-test-allan-donald-bangladesh-fast-bowlers-have-established-the-pack-mentality-1350075

Both their 2 fast bowlers were bowling high 130s early 140s even late in the day in their 2nd or 3rd spell. Good to see. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ban-vs-ind-wtc-1st-test-allan-donald-bangladesh-fast-bowlers-have-established-the-pack-mentality-1350075

 

Have we ever heard Mhambrey discussing these aspects !!

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ban-vs-ind-wtc-1st-test-allan-donald-bangladesh-fast-bowlers-have-established-the-pack-mentality-1350075

Even these bangla boards have insight & money to rope in Donald....  Lol at BCCI & Jay Shah with baniya jugadu sasta mindset. 

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Have we ever heard Mhambrey discussing these aspects !!

 

 

'The focus was on being patient and hitting right areas’ - Paras Mhambrey reveals India’s day 4 bowling plan against Bangladesh

 

'patient' and 'hitting right areas'

[Mesky99]

58 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

'The focus was on being patient and hitting right areas’ - Paras Mhambrey reveals India’s day 4 bowling plan against Bangladesh

 

'patient' and 'hitting right areas'

The most common phrase in Indian cricket "hitting the right areas' this term is so anti fast bowling because these pathetic coaches have this mindset 

that every genuine fast bowler is some wayward inconsistent spray gun hence indirectly every medium pacer is someone who hits the right areas. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

'The focus was on being patient and hitting right areas’ - Paras Mhambrey reveals India’s day 4 bowling plan against Bangladesh

 

'patient' and 'hitting right areas'

So what extra this fuker is bringing to the table..Undercutter and co are doing it since they are born.,

Edited December 18, 2022 by Need4Speed

[Mosher]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

'The focus was on being patient and hitting right areas’ - Paras Mhambrey reveals India’s day 4 bowling plan against Bangladesh

 

'patient' and 'hitting right areas'

Spinners can play the long game. But fast bowlers have to focus on making things happen and not waiting it out especially when nothing much is happening in the pitch. Pushing batsman back with some bouncers and bowling the odd fuller stump directed delivery is attacking mindset something which trundlers like Mhambrey have never tried in his playing days. He could only play the patience game because he was not capable of bowling quick bouncers and yorkers and is now expecting his bowlers do the same. That's why we need coaches like Lee, Donald or Steyn to bring about a change in mindset.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Mosher

[speedracer]

25 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

The most common phrase in Indian cricket "hitting the right areas' this term is so anti fast bowling because these pathetic coaches have this mindset 

that every genuine fast bowler is some wayward inconsistent spray gun hence indirectly every medium pacer is someone who hits the right areas. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea doesn't help when people in India regurgitate the same crap to everyone around. 

They always talk about line and length. Even my uncles are like wow look at bhoobi. What control. No one can swing it like him. Yet they completely ignore how well aggressive bowlers like kuldeep or umran perform. They discard them cheaply after one or 2 bad games. Yet control and line and length trundlers are raved about. 

[Suhaan]

 

35 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

So what extra this fuker is bringing to the table..Undercutter and co are doing it since they are born.,

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Suhaan

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

'The focus was on being patient and hitting right areas’ - Paras Mhambrey reveals India’s day 4 bowling plan against Bangladesh

 

'patient' and 'hitting right areas'

Reminds me of the comments in "The Covert Indian" youtube channel..."theek se bowling kar", "line length pe bowl kar", "mujhe hattrick chahiye" etc etc
Paras Mhambrey seems a fan of that channel.

[Mesky99]

2 hours ago, speedracer said:

Yea doesn't help when people in India regurgitate the same crap to everyone around. 

They always talk about line and length. Even my uncles are like wow look at bhoobi. What control. No one can swing it like him. Yet they completely ignore how well aggressive bowlers like kuldeep or umran perform. They discard them cheaply after one or 2 bad games. Yet control and line and length trundlers are raved about. 

Lol I have a uncle who was like this to, we were watching the Asia cup game the first India pak one, bhuvi and arshdeep bowled well, he was all phrase for their line and length until arshdeep got hammered at the end by tailenders, naseem and co were unplayable in the second innings, with pace and hard lengths by the time Asia cup ended he become anti trundler and rightly so.