Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

The Bangladesh test match batting lineup is like a stronger Ranji Team batting lineup with poorer red ball temperament.

 

Real test comes against the stronger test teams.

An unadkat kind of left arm bowler but with pace of 135-144k. He has everything to be a good test bowler except pace. He gets very good bounce and is very accurate. 

[mani sha]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

An unadkat kind of left arm bowler but with pace of 135-144k. He has everything to be a good test bowler except pace. He gets very good bounce and is very accurate. 

Mohsin khan and yash dayal . 

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, mani sha said:

Mohsin khan and yash dayal . 

Unadkat is superior to both in FC cricket. Mohsin hasn't played any real FC cricket. Unadkat has accuracy, bounce, seam and swing but lack that extra gear in pace. 

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Speedometer pe mohammad ali was clocking 149k ,give me a break.Check if the guy is looking quick .

 

That undakat wicket was high 130s range.Dont blindly follow speedometer.

Possibly but he never got clocked more than 137k on speedometer. That's the fastest i have seen him bowl in Ranji trophy. Every speedometer can't be wrong. That ball looked quick because of the steep bounce and inward seam movement of the pitch. Unadkat does at times get steep bounce.

[vishalvirsingh]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

Manjrekar, who calls Umran and Bumrah Seamers, and only Phoren Phaast bowlers as Fast, calling Unadkat a Fast bowler.  

i would have loved to see Kuldeep Sen Or Umran getting a test cap today.  i agree Unadkat has experience but at this stage of his career ( he would be 34) , he would not be able to bowl 136+ on average and would not be international standard bowler.

even umran or kuldeep would have easily managed 2 wickets and Siraj was a shade unlucky and may be he had an off day , so he could not get bangla wickets.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

My biggest gripe over the past year has been our inability to make any impact in the 4th innings of the 2 test matches in Saf which was a golden chance for us to win a series there which I blame the bowling for. Do you think Unadkut would have made a difference there with his bounce bowling? He got more bounce than Umesh and Siraj today.

 

We need Prasidh and Sen as bounce bowlers in tests.  And prepare Tyagi.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

An unadkat kind of left arm bowler but with pace of 135-144k. He has everything to be a good test bowler except pace. He gets very good bounce and is very accurate. 

 

Unadkat was looking innocuous when the ball was 20+ overs old.

 

That extra pace is a key ingredient. 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Speedometer pe mohammad ali was clocking 149k ,give me a break.Check if the guy is looking quick .

 

That undakat wicket was high 130s range.

 

 

Unadkat did not look quick.  And he looked rather slow after his first spell.

 

There was an area on the pitch from where the ball was kicking up, and tall pacers would get more kick than others.  Even Umesh was getting more bounce than he usually does. 

 

P S -- That 149 k by Ali was probably a speed gun error.  Whenever I saw him bowl, he was in the 130s and often low 130s. 

 

 

[speedracer]

5 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

My biggest gripe over the past year has been our inability to make any impact in the 4th innings of the 2 test matches in Saf which was a golden chance for us to win a series there which I blame the bowling for. Do you think Unadkut would have made a difference there with his bounce bowling? He got more bounce than Umesh and Siraj today.

Sitaj got injured in the second test and we lacked just one tall bowler. Ishant would have made a difference. Should have selected prasidh. Also our batsmen were poor. Pitch dint have any demons. 

[ind_hyd1]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Unadkat did not look quick.  And he looked rather slow after his first spell.

 

There was an area on the pitch from where the ball was kicking up, and tall pacers would get more kick than others.  Even Umesh was getting more bounce than he usually does. 

 

P S -- That 149 k by Ali was probably a speed gun error.  Whenever I saw him bowl, he was in the 130s and often low 130s. 

 

 

Accept the fact that Unadakat is a trundle and can never be a Strike bowler like Shami,or Bumrah at their peak. 

But we also have to accept he is true servant of Indian cricket, even tough he had great IPL season in 2017 with Pune super gains, he kept toiling in domestic cricket year after year. 

 

Unlike bhuneshwar who gave first class cricket after one injury and is no longer playing Ranji cricket. 

Even Harshal, chahar and arshdeep are on the same path, not sure why they stopped playing first class cricket, these people should be brought to task. If they don't play Ranji trophy then they should not be allowed to play IPL

 

 

[express bowling]

54 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

On the 1st day of test one Ali was bowling 140k consistently ,he bowled  quite a few balls around 145,146 but as he  struggled they had to bring down his pace,but even on day1 he looked the same pace as he did later on and I said that at the time .

 

Speedometers can't always be trusted, they often calibrate based on reputation.Ali is called dizzy in Pakistan, likening him to Gillespie and hence they were showing him 10k quicker and unadkat is the opposite, reputation is that he is slow ,so speedometer is calibrated accordingly.

 

Even when wood was bowling 150s in the tests to Babar ,he did look that quick in the air to me,even if a batsman smashes you at 150k ,the speed in the air is still there and it shows as well but it wasn't there.But they were showing 150k for wood on his reputation.

 

 

Agree with  your observation on Wood.  But Unadkar never looks quick to me, even disregarding Speed guns. Without steep bounce, he never hurries batsmen.

 

 

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

He isn't quick as in he can't bowl around 90mph but he does bowl 135-140 when his pace is up but then trundles around 125-130 when pace goes down .That ball looks quick .I have seen him surprise many top ranji batsmen for pace ,who have played int cricket.

 

 

So, Unadkat's speed range is 125 to 140 and he loses steam later on. 

 

We need 132 to 145 k as the minimum speed range as we play 60% of our cricket on slow tracks. And pacers who can sustain speeds.

 

Even Siraj has been disappointing in thd 2nd half of this year in terms of speeds.

 

 

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

On the 1st day of test one Ali was bowling 140k consistently ,he bowled  quite a few balls around 145,146 but as he  struggled they had to bring down his pace,but even on day1 he looked the same pace as he did later on and I said that at the time .

 

Speedometers can't always be trusted, they often calibrate based on reputation.Ali is called dizzy in Pakistan, likening him to Gillespie and hence they were showing him 10k quicker and unadkat is the opposite, reputation is that he is slow ,so speedometer is calibrated accordingly.

 

Even when wood was bowling 150s in the tests to Babar ,he did look that quick in the air to me,even if a batsman smashes you at 150k ,the speed in the air is still there and it shows as well but it wasn't there.But they were showing 150k for wood on his reputation.

Many of Woods deliveries were clocked at late 130s,caliberating midway isn't possible(or isnt done that regularly),come'on

 

The ones which looked 150ks were also quick through the air,pak opener barely brought his bat down,

 

Later spells,speed in air and the batsmen were at sync,no interference with the speed gun looked either

Edited December 23, 2022 by Suhaan

[express bowling]

Harshit Rana   4  for  94  on Ranji debut.

 

Really looking forward to this kid.   KKR says that he has genuine pace and they rated him.quicker than Cummins. He clocked 146 k+ on IPL debut. 

 

Plus he looks to be around 6'1" and has just completed 21 years. So, should get quicker. 

 

Has a decent yorker and short ball.

[rkt.india]

16 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Speedometer is not always accurate,if that unadkat ball is 79 mph then there is no point looking at speedometer, because key is to look quick and rush the batsman.

That ball hit some crack and deviated and skidded quickly which surprised and hurried the batter.

[rkt.india]

48 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Harshit Rana   4  for  94  on Ranji debut.

 

Really looking forward to this kid.   KKR says that he has genuine pace and they rated him.quicker than Cummins. He clocked 146 k+ on IPL debut. 

 

Plus he looks to be around 6'1" and has just completed 21 years. So, should get quicker. 

 

Has a decent yorker and short ball.

Lacks stiffness in his load up. If he improves that, he can be 145 regular.

[speedracer]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Lacks stiffness in his load up. If he improves that, he can be 145 regular.

There are many indian bowlers who can bowl much faster speeds. Easy 140 plus. Even 150. Problem lies with the biomechanics. Many indian kids have plenty of power.

[express bowling]

Gurnoor Brar ...  4 for 16 on Ranji debut

 

Really excited about this guy.  He must be  6'4" or even taller and gets steep bounce.  Has a quick fuller ball too.

 

And just 22.

[express bowling]

Young 140 k+ quicks playing Ranji this time ....

 

Umran Malik .. J&K .. Express

Harshit Rana .. Delhi .. Tallish 

Gurnoor Brar .. Punjab .. Tall 

Simarjeet Singh .. Delhi

K. Nagarkoti .. Rajasthan 

Sushant Mishra .. Jharkhand 

 

Kuldeep Sen .. MP .. Tall .. expected to play soon.

 

Hope to see the 3 Tall Quicks, Tyagi, Prasidh and Mohsin get fit soon. 

 

 

 

Young 135 k+ quicks with bounce playing Ranji this time ....

 

Arjun Tendulkar .. Goa .. Tall

R. Hangargekar .. Maharashtra .. Tallish 

Mayank Yadav .. Delhi

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2022 by express bowling

[tapandrun]

51 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Young 140 k+ quicks playing Ranji this time ....

 

Umran Malik .. J&K 

Harshit Rana .. Delhi .. Tallish 

Gurnoor Brar .. Punjab .. Tall 

Simarjeet Singh .. Delhi

K. Nagarkoti .. Rajasthan 

Sushant Mishra .. Jharkhand 

 

Kuldeep Sen expected to play soon.

Hope to see Tyagi, Prasidh and Mohsin get fit soon. 

 

 

 

Young 135 k+ quicks with bounce playing Ranji this time ....

 

Arjun Tendulkar .. Goa .. Tall

R. Hangargekar .. Maharashtra .. Tallish 

Mayank Yadav .. Delhi

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think M. Yadav is 140+, LSG rates him. In some of their SM/YT videos they seems to be excited abt. him.

Their bowling coach once said he is fastest in their team on that practice day