Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[the don]

10 minutes ago, speedracer said:

He is quick but I very positive steyn was quicker which makes me think Donald was a fast medium rather than outright fast. 

 

I can name 3 players who were much quicker than Donald from SA itself. 

Hayward 

Morkel

Schultz

 

Now nortje 

Then there is merchant de lange

 

All were quicker. 

Merchant de lange is a t20 mercenary who barely bowls over 90 mph in t 20s ffs.

[Forward Defence]

Kumara isnt bowling slow. Its just that shorter deliveries register lower speeds. This is a measurement anomaly that technicians must look into.

[Forward Defence]

10 minutes ago, the don said:

He hit 150 today.

Oh ok. I missed the first 20 odd overs

[Suhaan]

Only Akhter,Lee and Tait looked genuinely express till date

Mark Wood comes very close,i would like to see him deliver few above 156,157

 

Above three names did it quite a few times

[rkt.india]

18 minutes ago, the don said:

Merchant de lange is a t20 mercenary who barely bowls over 90 mph in t 20s ffs.

 

 

 

Lange is old now. used to bowl 150 when he first arrived

[tapandrun]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 

 

 

Lange is old now. used to bowl 150 when he first arrived

 

Used to be v.rapid still able to bowl above 140, was is always able to target stumps with fuller deliveries.

 

Once you go free-lancer and play in so many leagues you have to manage your fitness and availably hence they cut down on the pace as missing 1 season takes a big hit on the pay-cheques and the  medical bills and hospitalization fees have to barred by players themselves.

[speedracer]

37 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

 

I'll check out. Distinctly remember Lange grunting to deliver at late 130s in one of the series. He was a massive unit but not the one for pace. Morkel had height and a bit of pace but he never crossed 145 consistently.

 

You are just naming names without having watched how the truly great players rank/rate/played them.

Morkel was a fair bit faster than Donald. 

I have watched them all play. Hayward nortje morkel are all quicker. Schultz is quicker. Much quicker infact. 

 

De Lange was express at one point. Injuries stuffed him up.

[speedracer]

19 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Only Akhter,Lee and Tait looked genuinely express till date

Mark Wood comes very close,i would like to see him deliver few above 156,157

 

Above three names did it quite a few times

Mark Wood is quicker than all 3 of them tbh. Modern era has far more accurate speed guns. 

 

I dont trust any speed gun rating prior to 2010 era. Especially pak speedometers, Aussies tend to over exaggerate speeds too. 

 

[speedracer]

Akthar the stone thrower mostly looked rauf pace. In modern era he would be a rauf level pace bowler in terms of pace. He was good cause he had skills. 

 

Tenda used to say shoaib was never threatening. Neither was Waqar. 

 

In terms of sheer pace, Lee barely looked quicker than peak starc. I don't see any difference. Starc between 2012-2015 bowled 145-155 etc. Questionable peak speeds for Lee akthar etc. 

[tapandrun]

9 minutes ago, speedracer said:

Mark Wood is quicker than all 3 of them tbh. Modern era has far more accurate speed guns. 

 

I dont trust any speed gun rating prior to 2010 era. Especially pak speedometers, Aussies tend to over exaggerate speeds too. 

 

There have been changes on how they record and publish speeds over the overs.

 

Mark wood has only bowled over 150s consistently this season, perviously he use to bowl may be 2 balls in a match and may not touch 150s in few matches.

 

If the speed guns are to be trusted Lee, Akthar and Tait were bowling 155 for fun. Only balls over 157-158 looked like effort balls.

Have seen Tait bowling his first ball of the first over in acess of 150s.

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by tapandrun

[the don]

33 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 

 

 

Lange is old now. used to bowl 150 when he first arrived

Umar gul, junaid khan, ,irfan, ryan harris, Coulternile. Alot of bowlers at that level have the ability to hit a similar top speed at their peak.

[the don]

Just now, the don said:

Umar gul, junaid khan, ,irfan, ryan harris, Coulternile. Alot of bowlers at that level have the ability to hit a similar top speed at their peak.

Which is why i hate any tom, dick who hits 150 kph being compared with Akhtar and lee.

[the don]

14 minutes ago, speedracer said:

Akthar the stone thrower mostly looked rauf pace. In modern era he would be a rauf level pace bowler in terms of pace. He was good cause he had skills. 

 

Tenda used to say shoaib was never threatening. Neither was Waqar. 

 

In terms of sheer pace, Lee barely looked quicker than peak starc. I don't see any difference. Starc between 2012-2015 bowled 145-155 etc. Questionable peak speeds for Lee akthar etc. 

tendulkar has on numerous occasion named akhtar as the quickest he has faced by far. Lol at non threatening.

[speedracer]

4 minutes ago, the don said:

tendulkar has on numerous occasion named akhtar as the quickest he has faced by far. Lol at non threatening.

Nope. He said saqlain was more dangerous. Coward akthar ran away from tenda. Remember how he cried to Waqar. 

 

Akthar is all talk. Tendulkar had more problems with freaking cronje than akthar.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, the don said:

Merchant de lange is a t20 mercenary who barely bowls over 90 mph in t 20s ffs.

Merchant De Lange used to hit 145-150 kph effortlessly, what are you talking about ?
He may have slowed down now as his career was marred by injuries, but he was a genuine quick when he arrived at the scene.

[singhvivek141]

36 minutes ago, the don said:

Umar gul, junaid khan, ,irfan, ryan harris, Coulternile. Alot of bowlers at that level have the ability to hit a similar top speed at their peak.

Since when Junaid became a 150 bowler ?...he was at max a 135-140 bowler on his good days, else a trundler. 
Umar gul was quick only for a brief period of time in T20's (around 2009-2011) when he was at his peak.
Ryan was also never a 150 kph bowler, in 138-145 range mostly...NCN was also in same range more of less.

Edited January 12, 2023 by singhvivek141

[Suhaan]

55 minutes ago, speedracer said:

Mark Wood is quicker than all 3 of them tbh. Modern era has far more accurate speed guns. 

 

I dont trust any speed gun rating prior to 2010 era. Especially pak speedometers, Aussies tend to over exaggerate speeds too. 

 

That is subjective,but All three of them looked visibly quicker too in their prime

[Suhaan]

Lee could hit 150 even in later years in BBL

[Moochad]

Looks like Kuldeep would be first choice spinner on merit.

 

Im worried that he will play only matches prior to the WC but selectors and Rohit will choose Ashwin when the WC arrives

[singhvivek141]

57 minutes ago, speedracer said:

Mark Wood is quicker than all 3 of them tbh. Modern era has far more accurate speed guns. 

 

I dont trust any speed gun rating prior to 2010 era. Especially pak speedometers, Aussies tend to over exaggerate speeds too. 

 

Agree that speed guns were inaccurate, specially in 2003 WC everyone was hitting 150's for fun.
Bond hit multiple 153-154 kph deliveries non-chalantely, while mostly he belong to same pace range as Dale Steyn i.e. 135-145 with effort ball at around 148-149.
However, there is no doubt that Shoaib, Lee and Tait were 155+, 160 is bit too much given how much effort it takes for Wood to bowl at 157k