Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Muloghonto]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Fair enough.

Bhai, be glad that Bumrah is no Sampras. Sampras was asked once, how come he is pretty much the ONLY GUY who goes tournaments after tournaments without being broken even once, let alone drop a set, yet, he very rarely beats world # 80-100 in the first couple of rounds by 6-1 or 6-2, has very very few sets won (even against nobodies) with 6-0. He simply smiled and said 'to win a slam or a match, you dont have to play like the best player ever on his best day, you just have to play a bit better than your opponent. I dont want to waste excess energy chasing 6-0 scorecards, when 6-3 is good enough'. 

 

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Akashdeep is the ideal workhorse pacer.

 

Keeps hitting the deck in great areas day in and day out at 135 to 140 k.

 

Has the ball on a string. 

 

How did Chetan / Dravid / Rohit prefer Mukesh and Unadkat before Akashdeep  ????

 

 

Maybe because of variety. Akash D is literally a Shami clone. Both in looks, action, pace, being skiddy etc.

 

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Maybe because of variety. Akash D is literally a Shami clone. Both in looks, action, pace, being skiddy etc.

 

 

Akashdeep is a 2022 / 23 Shami clone.

 

Shami of 2015 to 2021 was quicker, more hostile and a tad less accurate. 

[Lone Wolf]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Akashdeep is the ideal workhorse pacer.

 

Keeps hitting the deck in great areas day in and day out at 135 to 140 k.

 

Has the ball on a string. 

 

How did Chetan / Dravid / Rohit prefer Mukesh and Unadkat before Akashdeep  ????

 

 

Mukesh breathing fire in Irani trophy... Dayal trundling otoh..

 

The legend of Mukesh ain't over yet.

[Lone Wolf]

Mukki Steyn Koomar running through Bambis

[Nikhil_cric]

Indian domestic tournaments need to be overhauled.

 

Too many matches with little gap and lot of travel.  

 

And then they make greenish pitches which suit trundlers pitching the ball up?

 

Absolutely redundant. 

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

And then they make greenish pitches which suit trundlers pitching the ball up?

 

 

True.

 

They should make hard, flattish pitches with bounce 2/3 of the time. And some variety the other 1/3 of the time.

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Mukki Steyn Koomar running through Bambis

Mukesh is a perfect domestic bully. Good line and length, 130-135 pace.

[Nikhil_cric]

I'm sorry to say but very little bowling talent from both Duleep and Irani. 

 

Except Rana, no one impressed. 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Mukesh is a perfect domestic bully. Good line and length, 130-135 pace.

Vinay Kumar 2.0
 

[Lone Wolf]

24 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Indian domestic tournaments need to be overhauled.

 

Too many matches with little gap and lot of travel.  

 

And then they make greenish pitches which suit trundlers pitching the ball up?

 

Absolutely redundant. 

If Dayal can't match even Mukesh on a green seamer he is worse option than Khaleel.

Just too slow to trouble even mid level batters 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

If Dayal can't match even Mukesh on a green seamer he is worse option than Khaleel.

Just too slow to trouble even mid level batters 

That's my point. Hopefully, they are looking at Harshit Rana and not these medium pacers. 

 

Sometimes we all are guilty of being a little too delusional about our pace stocks and BCCI's ability to develop whatever talent we do have. 

[ind_hyd1]

4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

That's my point. Hopefully, they are looking at Harshit Rana and not these medium pacers. 

 

Sometimes we all are guilty of being a little too delusional about our pace stocks and BCCI's ability to develop whatever talent we do have. 

Harshit no doubt has more ability as a bowler, but needs to work on his fitness. We could see that in Duleep trophy, his speel in 2nd innings were not upto mark.

Edited October 1, 2024 by ind_hyd1

[express bowling]

53 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I'm sorry to say but very little bowling talent from both Duleep and Irani. 

 

Except Rana, no one impressed. 

 

 

True. But Akashdeep impressed too apart from Harshit. 

 

And it is partially due to the fact that Mayank, Sen snd Umran were all missing due to rehab / illness. 

Edited October 1, 2024 by express bowling

[singhvivek141]

6 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

That's my point. Hopefully, they are looking at Harshit Rana and not these medium pacers. 

 

Sometimes we all are guilty of being a little too delusional about our pace stocks and BCCI's ability to develop whatever talent we do have. 

Dayal isn't the best choice, neither are Mukesh or Avesh.
It's just a waste going for these bowlers.
Where is Mukesh Choudhary though ? He has vanished suddenly.
Left armer, can swing the ball miles. Bowls 135-140 with quickest around 143, 144...has bounce and zing in the delivery. Heard has some tonking ability too.

[Nikhil_cric]

4 minutes ago, ind_hyd1 said:

Harshit no doubt has more ability as a bowler, but needs to work on his fitness. We could see that in Duleep trophy, his speel in 2nd innings were not upto mark.

He may not have the endurance but he certainly has pace and ceiling is higher than others. 

 

That's more important for now 

[singhvivek141]

15 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I'm sorry to say but very little bowling talent from both Duleep and Irani. 

 

Except Rana, no one impressed. 

Sen, Umran, Mayank, Hangargekar, Mukesh C, Yudhvir, Gurnoor, Prithviraj...all are missing.
No clue where is Eden Apple.

[Forward Defence]

Why was Bumrah removed so quickly?

[Nikhil_cric]

6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Dayal isn't the best choice, neither are Mukesh or Avesh.
It's just a waste going for these bowlers.
Where is Mukesh Choudhary though ? He has vanished suddenly.
Left armer, can swing the ball miles. Bowls 135-140 with quickest around 143, 144...has bounce and zing in the delivery. Heard has some tonking ability too.

Problem is ones with low ceiling are the ones who are fit and have endurance to bowl in FC. 

 

The relatively high ceiling bowlers are all injured or don't have the endurance to bowl long spells etc.  

 

Kuldeep Sen, Simarjeet, Gurnoor, Mayank, Tyagi, Umran, Mohsin heck even Nagarkoti and Mavi. 

 

They all have a higher ceiling than some of these trundlers. 

 

Yet none of them look even close to playing international cricket regularly (any format)

 

Our production system is absolutely useless.

 

We lose more bowlers than produce them. 

Edited October 1, 2024 by Nikhil_cric

[ind_hyd1]

6 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Problem is ones with low ceiling are the ones who are fit and have endurance to bowl in FC. 

 

The relatively high ceiling bowlers are all injured or don't have the endurance to bowl long spells etc.  

 

Kuldeep Sen, Simarjeet, Gurnoor, Mayank, Tyagi, Umran, Mohsin heck even Nagarkoti and Mavi. 

 

They all have a higher ceiling than some of these trundlers. 

 

Yet none of them look even close to playing international cricket regularly (any format)

 

Our production system is absolutely useless.

 

We lose more bowlers than produce them. 

These bowler should work on their fitness, unless they do that and their respective state associations should  start managing their workloads properly apart from piking them regularly