coffee_rules Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 1. I asked for scholarships for poor not reservation 2. No, i didnt know that students have different pass marks depending on their caste/religion. I have never heard of this before I think it was started by Amma in TN, when the reservation quota was not getting filled up because they were not even passing 40% marks. So their pass criteria was brought down to 32 or even 30 now..Shameless politics..this is what happens when legislature and judiciary go hand in hand without any checks..
Kalia_Test Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 1. I asked for scholarships for poor not reservation 2. No, i didnt know that students have different pass marks depending on their caste/religion. I have never heard of this before 1. Same as I did ( help poor irrespective of religion but based on economics but not through reservation). The point I made was on your OUT question and I was asking why not in IN. I don't think we are in any disagreement though so no issues. 2. There are many and I will post them later ( almost 2 AM now here and need to sleep :(( ) Please do also remember that IN for an institution is also an OUT somewhere else. To be more clear the pass marks for someone OUT of 12th class ( in an entrance exam which we have seen is different for different castes/religions ) is the IN criteria for medical/Engg colleges. This is due to the fact that 12th to Engg/medical is the natural progression for most and marks in entrance exams are more valuable than their % in 12th board exams
Mariyam Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 India is one country which has been suffering from Islamic terrorism for centuries. And yet' date= we offer these Muslims reservations. They don't deserve any right to it. It's depressing that our country's has suffered a lot in recent times and no one seem to care or pay attention to it. It's all been ignored just to please the M vote bank. The GoI offers reservations to Islamic terrorists? Does your obviously hued ainak portray that all Muslims who avail to reservation are Islamic terrorists? What exactly are you saying? As crazy as your post is, I do agree with you on one point. Muslims shouldn't get reservation in India. (talking about the non recent SC/ST converts to Islam). There is already a huge reservation (pun intended) for Muslims in the sub continent. Its called Pakistan.
Mariyam Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Though I am from Hyderabad, I am not sure but would you know the difference between the 2 major muslim cities in India - Lucknow and Hyderabad? I am looking for info like - which city has more muslims and what would be the approximate % split between Shia and Sunni in each city As a resident of Hyd, I see nothing here like the news that keeps coming from Lucknow ( actually not just Lucknow but other towns in UP as well ) - riots, Shia - Sunni clashes, curfews,etc. And this is inspite of the younger Owaisi making some spiteful speeches every 6 months or so here. The Nawab of Awadh, and most of his royal coterie were Shiites. The landowners and the intelligentsia were Shiites too. So there always has been a class struggle between the haves ( who happen to be Shiites) and the tillers/ worker have nots ( who are predominantly Sunni). Or that is what I've been told, mainly by Shiites, I admit. Also, the very puritanical Sunnis don't have a very high opinion of the Shiite populace or their belief. And those voice one hears with an alarmingly increasing frequency in UP these days and have , as of lot, gotten too much undue importance. What was a class struggle once has culminated into a theological battle.
Mariyam Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 1. Why should people even get INTO due to quota? What about people who could NOT due to quota? What makes you think that the people who could NOT get into school will NOT do better in training? 2. Don't tell me you are not aware of pass marks for SC/ST/OBC/Muslims being REDUCED to make sure they PASS. Are you not aware of different pass marks for reserved categories? Seriously. Are you not aware? I am not aware of this. Care to share some evidence to support your claim. I am not aware of the reservation for Muslims in Andhra/ Telangana etc. How much is it? How much reservations do Muslims have pan India?
urbestfriend Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 The GoI offers reservations to Islamic terrorists? Does your obviously hued ainak portray that all Muslims who avail to reservation are Islamic terrorists? What exactly are you saying? As crazy as your post is, I do agree with you on one point. Muslims shouldn't get reservation in India. (talking about the non recent SC/ST converts to Islam). There is already a huge reservation (pun intended) for Muslims in the sub continent. Its called Pakistan. :giggle:
Kalia_Test Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 I am not aware of this. Care to share some evidence to support your claim. I am not aware of the reservation for Muslims in Andhra/ Telangana etc. How much is it? How much reservations do Muslims have pan India? The Andhra muslim reservation proposal is going around in courts but from wiki ( all reservations ), we can see below ( and you can see why I get so frustrated ) Reservations in Andhra Pradesh Andhra Pradesh is the state having the highest percentage of reservations in India in any form. Minimum 83.33% reservations are applicable in the state. The reservation schedule in Andhra Pradesh is as follows- Schedule Classes (A, B, C, D) – 15% Schedule Tribes – 6% Backward Classes (A, B, C, D) – 25% Physically Handicapped (Blind, Deaf & Dumb and OPH) – 3%(1+1+1) Ex-Service Men (APMS only) – 1% Women – 33.33% Total % of reservations – Minimum 83.33% On pass criteria being reduced , here is one link Pls do remember that cutoffs are generally within the reservation category so implicitly the OUT from graduation and IN to job is different for different groups. For example, you can take Civils prelims - the cutoff criteria is different for different groups and same is true for other govt jobs. Add in the age relaxations and even faculty reservations and you have a big mess :((
Kalia_Test Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 I can understand why a couple of statements might have confused people here. When I said ensuring the reserved category PASSEs, what I had in mind mainly was passing through the 12th --> Graduation/Professional course ---> Post graduation/Jobs cycle At each stage, the entry criteria is relaxed via cutoff mark reduction/age relaxation,etc. And entry to job is exit from graduation so they are not two different things
Kalia_Test Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 The Nawab of Awadh' date=' and most of his royal coterie were Shiites. The landowners and the intelligentsia were Shiites too. So there always has been a class struggle between the [i']haves ( who happen to be Shiites) and the tillers/ worker have nots ( who are predominantly Sunni). Or that is what I've been told, mainly by Shiites, I admit. Also, the very puritanical Sunnis don't have a very high opinion of the Shiite populace or their belief. And those voice one hears with an alarmingly increasing frequency in UP these days and have , as of lot, gotten too much undue importance. What was a class struggle once has culminated into a theological battle. Thanks
Detonator Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Actually I am very hopeful this isn't the case. In Europe thousands have deserted the countries to go and fight for ISIS, etc. How many in India? The biggest terrorist attacks we had in India, all needed external help. Terrorists had to be hired from other countries. All the internal attacks which have happened were very low intensity. It is very clear that they are having difficulties getting recruits and suicide bombers in India. Compare to countries like Pakistan where suicide bombing happens almost every month All these tell me that India's Muslims are very far from being radicalized. However, our biggest danger would be alienating them, tarring everyone with the same brush. This is exactly what the terrorists want because this is what will give them maximum recruits and make them go against the country. Well, I used to have the same opinion as yours but incidents happening around say otherwise. You don't expect muslims publicly leaving the country holding ISIS flag and shouting slogans, to fight for them. I don't agree with the post, "Attacks in India are low intensity" . India has suffered the most terrorist attacks among the nations with a stable govt, and not active in war. Countries like Iraq, Afghan, Pakistan and Syria doesn't count. Terrorist attacks are much higher than ever. I don't tar every single one as terrorist, but the problem for such an increase is because the line is very thin between the 'moderates' and 'fanatics'. People here protest even if there is some muslim loses a job in Costa Rica based on the rule "I muslim; He muslim; Kafir evil" One of my school mate (a muslim) who was studying in NIUM bangalore dropped out of the college, we went to his house to see him but he wasn't there. His family refused to allow us inside (which is unusal considering we used to eat there, since we all belong to school football team) and said he went to Ankara to start business there. I have heard a few other cases as well.
KeyboardWarrior Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 @Kalia_the_Crow. Now I know whats your real Problem ....
Kalia_Test Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 ^^^ You think you know and that is your problem.
randomGuy Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Reservations are being misused from past many years there was a time when they were needed since there was no representation of the 'backward castes' in govt. jobs colleges etc....but now mainly the younger generations of those who have already been uplifted through reservations grab the reserved seats. It has become an unfair system now In My college, several sc/St were more rich than non-sc/St.
Shivaji bhonsle Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Indian Muslims are our people. They deserve quotas' just like anyone else. See, if you keep alienating them just because of Mughal kings, its unfair. Really unfair. Indian Muslims are as secular as they come. Better than many countries.
Vilander Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 “The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period.†“The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period.†Francois Gautier in his book ‘Rewriting Indian History’ (1996) wrote: “The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese.†This has such an ungodly resemblance to what is happening in Syria now at the hands of ISIS, this is their ideology.
Vilander Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 One thing I was always hear how Islamic invaders were merciful and peaceful otherwise all of Indian subcontinent would've been Muslim. It is as if no one stood up to them or fought back. With 21 century arms and ammunition pakiland is not able to control even its meagre land area, and there are maps of mugal India showing travancore as mugal empire. If some horsemen and palladins rode across a hill and claimed its suzerainty that does not mean it was in their rule or they had any ability to control it, let alone kill the population or forcefully convert it. I find most Indian Muslims closely resembling the Hindu trader communities in their social impetus. For instance in the recent riot, where they went against jats there was widespread govt protection given to them to prevent absolute massacre inspite of it being in muslim dominated areas, similar story unfolded in Assam. I think Indian muslims are not capable of any armed revolt even against hindu public let alone the indian state,outside of the usual ramadan riots there wont be any significant flareup. India needs to differentiate them from the arab muslims, educate them and control the education in madrasas and prevent any hateful content. Religious identity should not be allowed to control politics.
Mariyam Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 @ Kalia I've read post #67 and post #68. The above mentioned posts that you've written have no mentions of reservations for Muslims (unless they are from an already existing backward community) separately. Neither is it clear where the passing criteria has been lowered once a student has gotten into a college. But I think I understand. You harbour your general disdain of Muslims professional, be them doctors or engineers on account of your cousin losing his seat to a Muslim person who was less deserving on account of a Muslim reservation, which apparently doesn't even exist.
diga Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 @ Kalia I've read post #67 and post #68. The above mentioned posts that you've written have no mentions of reservations for Muslims (unless they are from an already existing backward community) separately. Neither is it clear where the passing criteria has been lowered once a student has gotten into a college. But I think I understand. You harbour your general disdain of Muslims professional, be them doctors or engineers on account of your cousin losing his seat to a Muslim person who was less deserving on account of a Muslim reservation, which apparently doesn't even exist. reservation in AP for muslims exist.. http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/supreme-court-allows-4-muslim-quota-in-jobs-in-andhra-pradesh-18402 ps: the link says reservation in jobs, not sure if this exists in educational sector too pps: this one says it exists in educational sector too http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/aug/05ap.htm
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