coffee_rules Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Vilander said: What is the diff between barbarians and India then. Banning should not happen one can tax them heavily and ensure humane conditions etc. I was not advocating that, but trying to justify cow slaughter ban in states which choose to do it the democratic way, through constitutional means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 11 hours ago, MechEng said: That is dangerous to think. Right now we are the dominant species where no other species can challenge us, so we have the power to decide the fate of an animal. What will you do if god forbid the day comes when AI becomes more powerful than humans and gets to decide our fate? When we are breeding cattle unnaturally then we have to think what to do with them. In nature herbivores are killed by carnivorous animals or die due to weather conditions which control their population o/w herbivores can destroy entire vegetation. And if you really think that one day AI will own humans and decide to breed them then it will also decide how much to kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 12 hours ago, MechEng said: That is dangerous to think. Right now we are the dominant species where no other species can challenge us, so we have the power to decide the fate of an animal. What will you do if god forbid the day comes when AI becomes more powerful than humans and gets to decide our fate? So if we don’t farm cattle now supposed ai will not farm humans.. hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 9 hours ago, Singh bling said: When we are breeding cattle unnaturally then we have to think what to do with them. In nature herbivores are killed by carnivorous animals or die due to weather conditions which control their population o/w herbivores can destroy entire vegetation. And if you really think that one day AI will own humans and decide to breed them then it will also decide how much to kill them. That is true about breeding cattle unnaturally but then there is an angle of ethics here I'm talking about. I'm not talking about AI breeding humans here, but if you misuse your own power/privilege and take total control over the fate of an animal then nature will find it's way to bring back the power balance between species. I am not a religious/spiritual person or believe in pseudo science but I do believe in the law of action-reaction, if you study history deeply how powerful empires fell all over the world, you'll understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Vilander said: So if we don’t farm cattle now supposed ai will not farm humans.. hehe Not farming but it is about ethics. If you exploit an animal that cannot defend itself from humans then you are earning a negative karmic balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 15 hours ago, Singh bling said: When we are breeding cattle unnaturally then we have to think what to do with them. In nature herbivores are killed by carnivorous animals or die due to weather conditions which control their population o/w herbivores can destroy entire vegetation. And if you really think that one day AI will own humans and decide to breed them then it will also decide how much to kill them. Best thing is to leave them in the reserve forest. There should be cattle department where people can leave their cattle and department then take them to forests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 37 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Best thing is to leave them in the reserve forest. There should be cattle department where people can leave their cattle and department then take them to forests. Cattle in the forest is not good for the forest. Their hooves destroy new growth of saplings in the forest bed. Besides this,there is also a danger of spread of deseases in the wild animals from these cattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 8 hours ago, MechEng said: That is true about breeding cattle unnaturally but then there is an angle of ethics here I'm talking about. I'm not talking about AI breeding humans here, but if you misuse your own power/privilege and take total control over the fate of an animal then nature will find it's way to bring back the power balance between species. I am not a religious/spiritual person or believe in pseudo science but I do believe in the law of action-reaction, if you study history deeply how powerful empires fell all over the world, you'll understand. Like it or not but human civilization is based on exploitation of animals. Meat fur , milk , labour are all provided by animals through exploitation.of domestic animals.The religions like Christianity and Islam spread all over because they allowed people to eat animals. Infact Christianity has edge has over all religions over no taboo of any kind of meat. On the other hand religions like Jainism which talks of extreme karmic theory shrunk even in india. So far hardly any country or civilization fell because they treated animals harshly. On the other hand there are plenty of cases of brutal conquering of civilizations which were practising ahinsa by barbarians who mistreated animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: Best thing is to leave them in the reserve forest. There should be cattle department where people can leave their cattle and department then take them to forests. India has very few forests left . The huge number of cattle will destroy the forest. Small herbivores will not get any vegetation while carnivores will not hunt wild prey but easily available cattle. Ecosystem will totally destroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 On 5/28/2020 at 5:02 PM, MechEng said: Not farming but it is about ethics. If you exploit an animal that cannot defend itself from humans then you are earning a negative karmic balance. negative karmic balance. ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 21 hours ago, Singh bling said: India has very few forests left . The huge number of cattle will destroy the forest. Small herbivores will not get any vegetation while carnivores will not hunt wild prey but easily available cattle. Ecosystem will totally destroy. Few? India has huge forest reserves, almost in every state. 21% forests in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raki05 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 22 hours ago, Singh bling said: India has very few forests left . The huge number of cattle will destroy the forest. Small herbivores will not get any vegetation while carnivores will not hunt wild prey but easily available cattle. Ecosystem will totally destroy. I think India has more forest reserve than China who eats all kind of living species which are not human. Old cattles left in Forest is good idea it can provide source of meal to hungry animals which are dying due to hunger or feasting on Humans. People talking about why cow should be treated diffently than other animals should realize we already have a law for Tigers prote room and preservation,so similarly if there is a belief associated with cow and we have a law to protect them why people even questioning them. Having said this we can't questions anyone food habit people can eat beef as long as it's not cow beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 8 hours ago, rkt.india said: Few? India has huge forest reserves, almost in every state. 21% forests in India. It is not like that forest is evenly spread. . Punjab , haryana , UP , Bihar , Rajasthan, Gujarat has forest cover of 3-7 % . High percentage of forests are in north east where cow slaughter is not prohibited.Don't expect one state to allow dumping their cattle in another state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 DEFORESTATION DUE TO GRAZING PRESSURE IN INDIA http://www.fao.org/3/XII/0830-B2.htm 6 hours ago, raki05 said: I think India has more forest reserve than China who eats all kind of living species which are not human. Old cattles left in Forest is good idea it can provide source of meal to hungry animals which are dying due to hunger or feasting on Humans. People talking about why cow should be treated diffently than other animals should realize we already have a law for Tigers prote room and preservation,so similarly if there is a belief associated with cow and we have a law to protect them why people even questioning them. Having said this we can't questions anyone food habit people can eat beef as long as it's not cow beef. http://www.fao.org/3/XII/0830-B2.htm DEFORESTATION DUE TO GRAZING PRESSURE IN INDIA Tiger preservation laws are their to protect nature o/w tiger will go extinct. Cows are artificially bred so there will be population explosion if they are allowed to live naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raki05 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Singh bling said: DEFORESTATION DUE TO GRAZING PRESSURE IN INDIA http://www.fao.org/3/XII/0830-B2.htm http://www.fao.org/3/XII/0830-B2.htm DEFORESTATION DUE TO GRAZING PRESSURE IN INDIA Tiger preservation laws are their to protect nature o/w tiger will go extinct. Cows are artificially bred so there will be population explosion if they are allowed to live naturally. There are deforestation every where but is still lot better than China and some other Asian countries. As I said before, once the cow is old and useless they can be left to forest to be a part of food chain but if law prohibits to kill them ,slaughtring is illegal. Besides, like any other beliefs Hindu's beliefs should also be protected and at the same time anyone food habbits should not be questioned as long as it's legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Singh bling said: DEFORESTATION DUE TO GRAZING PRESSURE IN INDIA http://www.fao.org/3/XII/0830-B2.htm http://www.fao.org/3/XII/0830-B2.htm DEFORESTATION DUE TO GRAZING PRESSURE IN INDIA Tiger preservation laws are their to protect nature o/w tiger will go extinct. Cows are artificially bred so there will be population explosion if they are allowed to live naturally. Population won't increase as that can be food for wild animals. Food for these wild animals is also diminishing in these forest and they keep attacking villages for food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) Those suggesting sending millions of these dry cows to the forests, that is the easiest way to screw everything permanantly. Forests aren't labs that you get to play with these scenarios, fantasies should be limited to video games. Ever heard of the term 'Invasive Species'? Cattle are a top candidate to get that honour. You don't * with the flora/fauna....do read about how introducing feral cats in Australia has wrecked their environment. Anything can take the role of invasive species, even a minor herb !!!! Waise our target is 33% forest cover, long way away from that. Really no escape from harsh realities, beef industry is necessary, if that hurts your feelings stop consuming dairy products, replace with almond/coconut/soy milk, give up curd/cheese/ice cream....are you guys ready to do that? Farmers and herders cater to our demands, not the other way around. Edited May 30, 2020 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Gollum said: Those suggesting sending millions of these dry cows to the forests, that is the easiest way to screw everything permanantly. Forests aren't labs that you get to play with these scenarios, fantasies should be limited to video games. Ever heard of the term 'Invasive Species'? Cattle are a top candidate to get that honour. You don't * with the flora/fauna....do read about how introducing feral cats in Australia has wrecked their environment. Anything can take the role of invasive species, even a minor herb !!!! Waise our target is 33% forest cover, long way away from that. Really no escape from harsh realities, beef industry is necessary, if that hurts your feelings stop consuming dairy products, replace with almond/coconut/soy milk, give up curd/cheese/ice cream....are you guys ready to do that? Farmers and herders cater to our demands, not the other way around. You are wrong. Those animals will become part of a food chain and will help wild animals survive in those forests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: You are wrong. Those animals will become part of a food chain and will help wild animals survive in those forests. You are wrong, ecosystem will simply collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 hours ago, rkt.india said: You are wrong. Those animals will become part of a food chain and will help wild animals survive in those forests. There are 20 crore cows while barely 25-30 k wild carnivores in india. Do your calculations that how much cows can they can kill if we leave 1-2 crore cows in forests every year. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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