(Biased) ICC issues "official warning" to Nagpur

[fineleg]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/953879.html

 

The ICC has given the Jamtha Stadium in Nagpur, which hosted the third Test between India and South Africa, an official warning under its pitch monitoring process. The ICC agreed with the 'poor' rating that Jeff Crowe, the match referee, had given the pitch in his report.

[amiret]

 

[kosingh]

I'm ok with this if we are going to see similar reactions to crazy fast pitches abroad henceforth

 

[kira]

who cares, we make the rules, shut up ICC

Edited December 22, 2015 by kira

[amiret]

is a "poor" rating enough ? they should have  awarded a "pitiful" or "pathetic" rating and imposed a heavy fine.

 

The Doctorers of these indian debris-bowls of doom and their bosses/influencers also need to be admonished.

 

[gattaca]

is a "poor" rating enough ? they should have  awarded a "pitiful" or "pathetic" rating and imposed a heavy fine.

 

The Doctorers of these indian debris-bowls of doom and their bosses/influencers also need to be admonished.

 

Where were your crocodile tears when South Africa makes green pitches and bowl out opposition for 50 odd runs or when England does that.

[amiret]

why don't people object when the ball starts seaming and swinging from the 1st ball of the 1st session of a test ?

Karthik Krishnaswamy on the difference between Nagpur and Nottingham : 

Ashwin ....... brought up the Trent Bridge Ashes Test

"Swing, seam and bounce, two days match over at Trent Bridge, I don't know what's that about. What's the problem with spin and bounce? It is good, even spin and bounce, isn't it? It is about skill for batsmen to play it and counter it."

There is nothing wrong with turn and bounce, per se. A pitch offering seam movement and another offering sharp turn are equally good surfaces, provided the pace and bounce are consistent. But there is a difference between the kind of assistance England's seamers enjoyed at Nottingham and the kind of help India's spinners got in Nagpur.

At Trent Bridge, Australia's batsmen were unsure which way the ball would move after it pitched. But they could trust how quickly it came to them, and the extent of its bounce. Both were true, and anything straying from a good line or length could be put away safely. In Nagpur, in addition to not knowing how much, and if at all, the ball would turn, South Africa's batsmen - and indeed India's - seldom knew if the ball was going to stop on them or skid through quickly, and whether it would jump or keep low.

On most seaming pitches, batsmen face a time-honoured challenge of footwork and compactness: to go fully forward or back, and play late and close to the body, to minimise the damage that the seaming ball can do. It is difficult, but not impossible. The challenge on good spinning pitches is similar: good footwork to go forward or back, soft hands in defence.

On a surface such as the one in Nagpur, driving could be fraught with risk even if you got reasonably close to the pitch of the ball - as Shikhar Dhawan discovered during India's first innings. Even if you went deep in your crease to a short ball, it could stop on the pitch and surprise you - as AB de Villiers found out against Jadeja.

A green, seaming pitch often gets better to bat on. That is why openers are advised to give the first hour to the bowlers. In Nottingham, the entire Australia line-up lasted just beyond that first hour. When England batted, the pitch had lost quite a bit of its initial freshness. Australia's bowlers, moreover, failed to land the ball as consistently in the channel or as consistently on the seam as Broad did. England replied with 391.

 

 

A pitch that turns from the first day only gets worse to bat on. Since it is dry at the start, with no grass on its surface, there is nothing in the pitch to prevent it from crumbling rapidly under the sun and under constant bombardment by cricket balls and feet.

This is why the classic subcontinental pitch starts out firm and flat. On day one, there is consistent pace and bounce, even if not in liberal measure, and a bit of spin. Fast bowlers can expect the new ball to swing for a short while, and the old ball to reverse, and in most cases get edges to carry to the keeper and slips. But the first two and a half days, by and large, are good for batting. First-innings totals are often big, but that is no guarantee of a win or draw. By day four, wear and tear could leave the pitch behaving like the Nagpur pitch did on day one.

Such a pitch produces multi-dimensional cricket, rewarding both sound defensive batting and sound attacking batting, quality quick bowlers blessed with either pace or swing, particularly reverse, and accurate spinners, particularly those who can beat batsmen in the air.

A pitch such as Nagpur - or Mohali during the first Test - produces cricket that is predictable and repetitive. Spinners fire the ball in quick, batsmen hope they get enough bad balls to score from before the inevitable good one comes along, and 200 is often a match-winning first-innings total. The entire match is often done and dusted - pun intended - within three days.

would advice all indian cricket fans to read his article - http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-south-africa-2015-16/content/story/944415.html

 

 

[fineleg]

bull shit by icc

[Adi_91]

Ironically, it is one of the World Twenty20 venues for next year. Will be interesting to see how the pitches behave there.

[vijay50]

Want to see how the transparent Shashank Manohar react to this.

Will he make Nagpur pitch a flat track in future to remove the home advantage to Indian team?

If so will the Indian team be happy with it?

This guy doesnt even have the guts to fight ICC. Lets see what he will do now?

Edited December 23, 2015 by vijay50

[RedFever]

is a "poor" rating enough ? they should have  awarded a "pitiful" or "pathetic" rating and imposed a heavy fine.

 

The Doctorers of these indian debris-bowls of doom and their bosses/influencers also need to be admonished.

 

What rating does ICC give to most of the pitches in your country.. Oh wait they dont need to monitor the pitches when the whole country is awarded the unsafe rating

[Adi_91]

IMO, the pitches which are flat roads (eg, Pitches in 2006 Indo Pak series in Pakistan in Jan - Feb 2006) were the worst because both teams batsmen made merry and it was horrible for Test Cricket.

[MCcricket]

Seam n swing owing to conditions mostly then Under prepared wkts, this series was disappointing as far as wkts n they were under prepared dust bowls not turners tampering was done to favour home side n that is sad, as we cud win without that as last test showed

Edited December 22, 2015 by MCcricket

[kosingh]

I do agree that this wicket was poor. But there are poor wickets everywhere. Awful drop-in wickets in Australia which have nothing for the bowlers. Wild seaming/bouncy wickets which disadvantage batters from the Subcontinent. Sri Lankan wickets where there is no possibility of a result, and you are lucky to get to even bat twice.

All these pitches must be targeted by the ICC in addition to going after poor Indian wickets.

 

 

[Debutant]

Who cares. Result matters and we won. People can whine as much as they can but 3-0 thrashing of the Saffers is not going to change. 

[vishalvirsingh]

good action by ICC.

I did not enjoy winning against Africa on that pitch.

I hope Indians make tracks that help "Spin and Pace" because that's going to help indian cricket.

Momentary short term wins by making a spinning track is going to do more harm to indian cricket than Good. 

we also have good pacers - show trust on them too...ashwin and Mishra are world class bowlers even jaddu is not that bad.

I heard a commentator saying that raina will also be unplayable on that track...

 

[express bowling]

A green, seaming pitch often gets better to bat on. That is why openers are advised to give the first hour to the bowlers. In Nottingham, the entire Australia line-up lasted just beyond that first hour. When England batted, the pitch had lost quite a bit of its initial freshness. Australia's bowlers, moreover, failed to land the ball as consistently in the channel or as consistently on the seam as Broad did. England replied with 391.

 

Firstly...considering this particular instance only....how is it necessarily better. One team is subjected to a vicious condition and the other team gets a much better pitch. It becomes more like a gamble, based on who wins the toss.

A couple of pitches we have seen in the SA series have been turning tracks and BOTH teams faced the same disadvantages throughout the match. There is less bias in that.

Secondly...we have seen many pitches in England, South Africa and New Zealand which have seamed viciously even on day 4 or 5.

Thirdly...ICC rule states that one of the conditions of a pitch being poor is...if there is too much seam movement at ANY TIME DURING THE MATCH.

[amiret]

Firstly...considering this particular instance only....how is it necessarily better. One team is subjected to a vicious condition and the other team gets a much better pitch. It becomes more like a gamble, based on who wins the toss.

A couple of pitches we have seen in the SA series have been turning tracks and BOTH teams faced the same disadvantages throughout the match. There is less bias in that. Secondly...we have seen many pitches in England, South Africa and New Zealand which have seamed viciously even on day 4 or 5. Thirdly...ICC rule states that one of the conditions of a pitch being poor is...if there is too much seam movement at ANY TIME DURING THE MATCH.

^ Please read entire article .

• At Trent Bridge, Australia's batsmen were unsure which way the ball would move after it pitched. But they could trust how quickly it came to them, and the extent of its bounce. Both were true, and anything straying from a good line or length could be put away safely.
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• In Nagpur, in addition to not knowing how much, and if at all, the ball would turn, South Africa's batsmen - and indeed India's - seldom knew if the ball was going to stop on them or skid through quickly, and whether it would jump or keep low.

[TheWall]

I hope ICC directs all the pitches to be flat ones with each team scoring 500+ in each innings and it will be RIP for Test Matches....

[adi B]

India should keep on preparing turners though nagpur was an extreme one.it was actually refreshing to see rank turners in this series after long time,to hell with icc,we own you!!