Decline of Bhuvaneshwar Kumar.

[Shivaji bhonsle]

110 overs - 5 wickets from the last 11 Odis.

Economy rate isn't any good either.

How does he keeps playing after repeated failures?

Will he be dropped from the next odi?

[rkt.india]

it is not decline. He is conditions dependent.  If there is no swing available,  he will always struggle. Tell me a series where he has done anyhting  great apart from his debut series against Pak and then in WI, both in helpful conditions.

[express bowling]

I have pointed this out , all along his career, that he has never been a wicket taker in either tests or ODis unless he is bowling in England and other similar swing friendly conditions.

He has

29 wickets from 12 tests @ 2.42  wickets per test

60 wickets from 56 ODIs @ 1.07 wickets per ODI   

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/326016.html

 

Neither is good if we are talking about a wicket taking bowler.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

it is not decline. He is conditions dependent.  If there is no swing available,  he will always struggle. Tell me a series where he has done anyhting  great apart from his debut series against Pak and then in WI, both in helpful conditions.

Xactly if ever we see his perfomance agianst teams like Nz, Sa n aus 

It ll be really bad

Coz they have better footwork to handle his swing n also they r way more attacking

 

All his wkts wud come against teams like Wi , Pak - of which batsman dnt use thei feet n jst play away from the body now  that is dangerous against swing

N now he is nt even swinging the ball anymore

He is just bowling 3 quater length

N with his pace its easy to make own length by batsman 

He cnt come n bowl in death over, no slower ball. 

I always felt he is decent odi bowler n gud t20

But in t20 he becomes gud coz he has to bowl 4 over. which he bowls with full steam around 140K

He also is handy on green pitches but u dnt get that in odi 

M nt against him being in squad as a variety bowler , but as main bowler . No no no 

 

Last two yrs 

He has played 

30 matches n 30 wkts n Eco is also Above 5. 

whereas umesh

24 matches 42 wkts n eco around 5.4

 

So how is he prefferd in team

n in last two yrs only 5wkts in 1st ten over

If raina , umesh or anyone can b dropped.

so y cnt he be 

 

[tweaker]

He was not the original choice as replacement. Jasprit Bumrah was on standby but in late development He was asked to join the team.It should be investigated how he was selected over Bumrah who was in red hot form in both VH & SMA tournament. Bumrah has all the skill s needed in Odi ie can bowl 135kmph+ speed,has unusual action, has good Yorker, lethal bouncer,was also in good wicket taking form..We have seen how Sran had carried his wicket taking form from VH trophy to first odi inspite of him being rookie in domestic cricket.

Now the selectors should not bow to whims & fancies of a captain & should selected new young, exiting, talentedtalented cricketers instead of tried & tested failures.

We should have selected almost new team for T20 series instead of Yuvraj, Dhoni, Nehra, Harbhajan. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

I have pointed this out , all along his career, that he has never been a wicket taker in either tests or ODis unless he is bowling in England and other similar swing friendly conditions.

He has

29 wickets from 12 tests @ 2.42  wickets per test

60 wickets from 56 ODIs @ 1.07 wickets per ODI   

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/326016.html

 

Neither is good if we are talking about a wicket taking bowler.

 

 

Also if i rem out of 29 wkts 11 wkts r in only two innings 

Left 18 wkts 

 

[express bowling]

unnecessarily putting him under pressure by saying he has lost swing just like irfan was pestered about losing pace ,even in that 1st series i remember he swung it in banglore but it didnt swing in the next match in ahmedabad ,just needs to bowl normally without trying to change too many things.

True.

Bhuvi has not lost swing.

Recently, he has played mostly in conditions which are not favourable for conventional swing.

[Ankit_sharma03]

True.

Bhuvi has not lost swing.

Recently, he has played mostly in conditions which are not favourable for conventional swing.

Not sure if he has or not

But he is not even trying to

His length r diff whereas it shud b full

In Sa series- i dnt know y he was bowling of short of gud length

Nothing bad in develping pace.

U need some pace. 

All he needs to do wat most gr8 bolwers like steyn, zaheer, anderson did

try to swing the new ball not worry about speed, Jst feel he is trying to release the bowl early 

N in the second spell bowl faster n sharper

[express bowling]

Not sure if he has or not

But he is not even trying to

His length r diff whereas it shud b full

In Sa series- i dnt know y he was bowling of short of gud length

Nothing bad in develping pace.

U need some pace. 

All he needs to do wat most gr8 bolwers like steyn, zaheer, anderson did

try to swing the new ball not worry about speed, Jst feel he is trying to release the bowl early 

N in the second spell bowl faster n sharper

What you are saying makes perfect sense.

Just want to add that he perhaps has not pitched the ball up because of the conditions and instructions from the team management to bowl shorter.....As his seam position and release have not changed much, he should get swing in favourable conditions.

[The Realist]

Poor man's Irfan Pathan.

Been found out at international level and unless he develops new skills will just become another Vinay Kumar type player.

[Laaloo]

He was never good enough. Sifarishi selection

[adi B]

Well at least he is bowling a bit quicker.the problem for him is he Wil never get favorable conditions in aus and he will remain a limited bowler.

About the irfan pathan comparison,I remember a close friend of mine said exactly the same thing about booby in 2013 ,he said he'll go the same route as pathan and will get massacred in Australia (specifically mentioned the wc) lol

[express bowling]

About the irfan pathan comparison,I remember a close friend of mine said exactly the same thing about booby in 2013 ,he said he'll go the same route as pathan and will get massacred in Australia (specifically mentioned the wc) lol

Medium pacers usually face this problem. In the first season or two  there is a novelty factor....not many batsmen have actually played the bowler and if he gets swing then he gets some success.

After that...it is a real up-hill task for them as the novelty factor is gone.

95% or even more of the strike bowlers at test level have or had either pace, or steep bounce or both. So, when the ball is not swinging, they have an additional weapon.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

What you are saying makes perfect sense.

Just want to add that he perhaps has not pitched the ball up because of the conditions and instructions from the team management to bowl shorter.....As his seam position and release have not changed much, he should get swing in favourable conditions.

in odi's he ll hardly get gud bowling conditions

thats the problem

also in odi can he bowl in middle overs n death??????

 

[Adi_91]

I don't like the new Bhuvi with increased speed. If you increase the speed and bowl trash, you play into the hands of the batsmen because they can use the extra pace to smash you.

[Lannister]

It's a wonder how he's still in the team. 

[express bowling]

It's a wonder how he's still in the team. 

Abysmal  figures

[express bowling]

Booby would have been a great batsman if those were his batting averages.       

[The Realist]

Those stats make you wonder on what criteria he gets consistently selected.

Vinay Kumar, Dinda & Unadkat must feel cheated.

[express bowling]

Those stats make you wonder on what criteria he gets consistently selected.

Vinay Kumar, Dinda & Unadkat must feel cheated.

Also.....He got a Grade A contract , not this time but the year before that...in line with Dhoni, Kohli etc.