Kohli is a fighter

[fineleg]

Kohli is a fighter and he will fight his way out of this poor run since Antigua.

He has great character and he will eventually triumph.

The question is what is the approach he is going to take, swashbuckle or submit and surrender and play carefully like SRT @ Sydney

Edited October 1, 2016 by fineleg

[express bowling]

1)  Kohli needs to get set before he plays his strokes.

 

2)  Cut out lofted shots totally.   Has been out all 3 times to these.   He once said, not too long ago,  that the secret to his success in all 3 formats is that he does not change his basic  game....just tries to find gaps and punch hard....does not try to hit sixes in LOIs.  That cuts out the risk.  I hope he remembers  what he himself has said.

 

3)  Get prepared mentally and technically for the slow surfaces in Indian test matches. 

 

4)  Leave a high % of deliveries outside the off stump.

 

He himself has talked about most of these points earlier.....so he will know these....just has to remember what he used to think and do.

[gakgupta]

8 hours ago, fineleg said:

Kohli is a fighter and he will fight his way out of this poor run since Antigua.

He has great character and he will eventually triumph.

The question is what is the approach he is going to take, swashbuckle or submit and surrender and play carefully like SRT @ Sydney

Swashbuckle doesn't work for him as he is not instinctive player like viru or ponting.....so, he has to play carefully and get among runs and automatically confidence will be regained.....So sad he missed out on duleep trophy...he should have played

[zen]

He needs to take a leaf out of Pujara's book rather than worry about strike rates .... strike rate in tests are for players such as Sehwag, Richards, etc. 

Edited October 1, 2016 by zen

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, zen said:

He needs to take a leaf out of Pujara's book rather than worry about strike rates .... strike rate in tests are for players such as Sehwag, Richards, etc. 

In test matches at home .....definitely a big yes.

 

In away test matches, Pujara averages just 33 and Kohli ( average of 45  away from home  and has been a much better impact player than Pujara )    should not even open the book that  Pujara is following.

[gakgupta]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

In test matches at home .....definitely a big yes.

 

In away test matches, Pujara averages just 33 and Kohli ( average of 45  away from home  and has been a much better impact player than Pujara )    should not even open the book that  Pujara is following.

Yes...as per statistics, you can say that....but i get the feeling that there is comething chnaged in him....... he has worked hard on his game and i think he will start succeed outside Asia as well....

Even likes of dravid and ganguly, took sometime to get those big runs outside asia....

Remember Dravid started scoring more consistently after the 1999 NZ series....else he was very media-core before that

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, gakgupta said:

Yes...as per statistics, you can say that....but i get the feeling that there is comething chnaged in him....... he has worked hard on his game and i think he will start succeed outside Asia as well....

Even likes of dravid and ganguly, took sometime to get those big runs outside asia....

Remember Dravid started scoring more consistently after the 1999 NZ series....else he was very media-core before that

I too am hopeful that he will

 

BUT

 

the point of that discussion was..... him reaching such a level already that another top batsman of his team will benefit from taking a leaf out of his book.  Well.....that has not happened yet.

[zen]

18 hours ago, express bowling said:

In test matches at home .....definitely a big yes.

 

In away test matches, Pujara averages just 33 and Kohli ( average of 45  away from home  and has been a much better impact player than Pujara )    should not even open the book that  Pujara is following.

What has averages got to do with developing a test match mentality where a batsmen is willing to grind it out vs tough opposition and/or in tough conditions? We already know Pujara is a superb test player who can do well in tough batting conditions irrespective of the venue

 

Tomorrow, someone will say that when playing at Kol, Rohit Sharma should not take a leaf out of xyz's book because he has a good avg there 

 

Averages can be a result of various factors including being in a purple patch in a given period, getting some umpiring decisions in your favor, getting a big score on batting friendly surfaces, etc. Through out the career, averages tend to change 

 

The idea is to take positives out of everyone and learn from it so the cricketer is constantly improving 

Edited October 2, 2016 by zen

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, zen said:

What has averages got to do with developing a test match mentality where a batsmen is willing to grind it out vs tough opposition and/or in tough conditions? We already know Pujara is a superb test player who can do well in tough batting conditions irrespective of the venue

 

Tomorrow, someone will say that when playing at Kol, Rohit Sharma should not take a leaf out of xyz's book because he has a good avg there 

 

Averages can be a result of various factors including being in a purple patch in a given period, getting some umpiring decisions in your favor, getting a big score on batting friendly surfaces, etc. Through out the career, averages tend to change 

 

The idea is to take positives out of everyone and learn from it so the cricketer is constantly improving 

When a batsman, who is thought to have ability, has a low average of only 33 away from home after 31 test innings spanning 7 test series and  6 years then that definitely points towards  some issues, inconsistency being one of them.

 

  The difference in his batting approach is very noticeable when he plays outside the sub-continent and in it. One of the biggest factors contributing to this is the nature of pitches in the sub-continent in the 5 day games....the ball does not come on to the bat and even on the rare faster  pitches with some grass, this starts happening after a session or two.

 

 Not many people who have played cricket for their country have called Pujara a superb test player in the last 2 years. I have seen  far more good quality ex-cricketers praise Kohli the test batsman than I have seen them praise Pujara the test batsman.  Even Viv Richards had a lot of good things to say about Kohli's approach to test batting and the other Indian test batters he liked were Rahane and Rahul.

If  Kohli wants to improve in tests then he should take a leaf out of  Tendulkar's book.  He was also a stroke player and really knew how to construct a test innings, whether home or away, without getting bogged down at any stage.  Kohli had  the opportunity to play with the little master for many years including two and a half years in test matches.  

Edited October 2, 2016 by express bowling

[zen]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

When a batsman, who is thought to have ability, has a low average of only 33 away from home after 31 test innings spanning 7 test series and  6 years then that definitely points towards  some issues, inconsistency being one of them.

 

  The difference in his batting approach is very noticeable when he plays outside the sub-continent and in it. One of the biggest factors contributing to this is the nature of pitches in the sub-continent in the 5 day games....the ball does not come on to the bat and even on the rare faster  pitches with some grass, this starts happening after a session or two.

 

 Not many people who have played cricket for their country have called Pujara a superb test player in the last 2 years. I have seen  far more good quality ex-cricketers praise Kohli the test batsman than I have seen them praise Pujara the test batsman.  Even Viv Richards had a lot of good things to say about Kohli's approach to test batting and the other Indian test batters he liked were Rahane and Rahul.

If  Kohli wants to improve in tests then he should take a leaf out of  Tendulkar's book.  He was also a stroke player and really knew how to construct a test innings, whether home or away, without getting bogged down at any stage.  Kohli had  the opportunity to play with the little master for many years including two and a half years in test matches.  

Again, the point is about grinding it out like a test player when you are in form or not. Pujara has played some good innings overseas as well and plays a spot higher than Kohli's, at times even serving as a virtual opener. So there are intangibles as well which cannot be measured by looking at just averages. There are ppl who say Kohli should not bat at 3 

 

And both Pujara and Kohli should take a leaf out the book of any ATG player. But  one can also learn by looking at someone who is not only a test specialist, but also present in the dressing room and batting together 

Edited October 2, 2016 by zen

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

Again, the point is about grinding it out when you are in form or not. Pujara has played some good innings overseas as well and plays a spot higher than Kohli, at times even serving as a virtual opener. So there are intangibles as well which cannot be measured by looking at just averages

 

And both Pujara and Kohli should take a leaf out the book of any ATG player. But  one can also learn by looking at someone who is not only a test specialist, but also present in the dressing room

 

Grinding it out is a good quality but not an end in itself.  Pujara looks so fluent and superb when he is batting on low and slow surfaces even if he is playing at a low SR.  He controls his innings.

 

On faster surfaces he has confidence issues. Also, at times, he takes his eyes off the ball while playing bouncers.  He does not always  go forward with certainty while playing the incoming deliveries.  He has played the occasional good innings but they have not come as regularly as he would have liked.

 

It is just the opposite case with Kohli while playing on slow and  low surfaces. He too has a few big knocks but does not look at ease most of the times.  On faster surfaces he usually looks superb.

 

Both these guys will have to improve in their respective areas of weakness. I am sure both will do it.

[zen]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Grinding it out is a good quality but not an end in itself.  Pujara looks so fluent and superb when he is batting on low and slow surfaces even if he is playing at a low SR.  He controls his innings.

 

On faster surfaces he has confidence issues. Also, at times, he takes his eyes off the ball while playing bouncers.  He does not always  go forward with certainty while playing the incoming deliveries.  He has played the occasional good innings but they have not come as regularly as he would have liked.

 

It is just the opposite case with Kohli while playing on slow and  low surfaces. He too has a few big knocks but does not look at ease most of the times.  On faster surfaces he usually looks superb.

 

Both these guys will have to improve in their respective areas of weakness. I am sure both will do it.

Usually, every batsmen would have some technical issues. I m referring to the mindset of grinding it out whether you are in form or not 

 

Also as mentioned, Pujara plays at 3 and serves as a virtual opener at times. On the other hand, many feel Kohli should not bat at 3 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Usually, every batsmen would have some technical issues. I m referring to the mindset of grinding it out whether you are in form or not 

 

Also as mentioned, Pujara plays at 3 and serves as a virtual opener at times. On the other hand, many feel Kohli should not bat at 3 

While playing on faster surfaces, you will see Kohli grinding it out too.  It is only while playing on the slow and low surfaces that he attempts some rash shots on occasions.  This can be rectified by increasing his comfort level on these tracks. 

 

For me, grinding it out means not playing any risky shots, leaving deliveries outside the off stump unless they are short and wide,  not playing unnecessary lofted shots, hitting only the loose deliveries etc.

[Laaloo]

23 hours ago, Viper said:

A true legend who will drop himself for mr. Telunt 

 

Did you see tailunts innings yesterday? Turned the match around and got us back the number 1 ranking. You keep on whining and Kohli will keep winning.

Edited October 3, 2016 by laaloo

[Laaloo]

This was a neutral pitch and NZ had the advantage of bowling first. They should have rolled us out for under 250 but they didn't. They are a pretty good side. Take your head out of your ass when you quote my posts.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, laaloo said:

This was a neutral pitch and NZ had the advantage of bowling first. They should have rolled us out for under 250 but they didn't. They are a pretty good side.

To see us dominate in a test match,  played on a pitch which had more help for seamers than spinners,  is really refreshing.

 

I am under the impression that NZ  is  one of the better  touring sides nowadays.

[Laaloo]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

To see us dominate in a test match,  played on a pitch which had more help for seamers than spinners,  is really refreshing.

 

I am under the impression that NZ  is  one of the better  touring sides nowadays.

Yeah the useless side he is referring to was when we beat the Aussies at home 4-0. That side was useless. Of course Dhoni chamchas wont see that.

[Bigg Brother]

Kohli really needs to step up in batting department..Okay if you dont care for 'personal records' but captaincy is not only about handling bowlers..We have suffered a lot in past by having only master at "handling bowlers"captain who rarely stepped up as a batsman in tests..One loss and Kohli's aggressive tactics will be questioned by those who are praising him now.

[fineleg]

Very good knock at Indore.

[New guy]

On 10/3/2016 at 0:10 AM, Viper said:

A true legend who will drop himself for mr. Telunt 

 

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