Virat Kohli v Joe Root | Who's the Better Test Player?

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

Scored a ton there though IIRC.Even in England he averages 35 odd

 

Compared to Kohli,he has a better allround record

 

 

 

Actually...both  Rahane and Kohli have been very impressive in terms of  scoring runs all over the world....if we compare with other test batsmen, foreign or Indian.

Edited November 10, 2016 by express bowling

[Trichromatic]

Even Rahane's innings have been more impactful.

 

Kohli is hardly an impact player in tests atm.

[CricketBuffOne]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

I was talking about Root in Bangladesh.

My bad.
 

[CricketBuffOne]

Sorry everyone for the delayed response, I have been facing connectivity issues for the last 5-6 hrs.

Seems much has happened here since then. I am back now to add my 2 cents to the discussion. 

[CricketBuffOne]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

If we are talking about batting averages in the last 3 years then  Rahane has definitely been our best test batsman in the last 3 years followed by Kohli. Both of them have scored in most countries around the world.

 

Where Kohli edges other batsmen of our team is the impact factor on the day he is playing a good innings.

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AM Rahane	2013-2016	29	48	7	2201	188	53.68	4095	53.74	8	9	3	258	19
V Kohli	2013-2016	30	50	1	2376	211	48.48	4084	58.17	9	6	2	275	4
CA Pujara	2013-2016	25	41	2	1658	153	42.51	3614	45.87	4	7	2	204	3
M Vijay	2013-2016	26	44	1	1758	150	40.88	3864	45.49	3	11	3	217	13
KL Rahul	2014-2016	9	15	0	562	158	37.46	1020	55.09	3	1	0	65	6
S Dhawan	2013-2016	21	37	1	1254	173	34.83	2234	56.13	3	3	4	155	3
WP Saha	2014-2016	17	22	4	610	104	33.88	1355	45.01	1	4	3	63	5
RG Sharma	2013-2016	20	35	4	1007	111*	32.48	1880	53.56	1	7	4	92	24
MS Dhoni	2013-2014	12	22	1	625	82	29.76	1176	53.14	0	5	2	87	3
R Ashwin	2013-2016	23	32	5	770	118	28.51	1542	49.93	2	3	1	78	6
RA Jadeja	2013-2016	16	25	4	527	68	25.09	815	64.66	0	2	2	63	12

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=5;qualval1=matches;spanmax1=10+Nov+2016;spanmin1=10+Nov+2013;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

 

Agree with your observation regarding impact factor. 
As for the averages, Rahane's is higher because of the 7 not out knocks compared to Virat's 1. Run-wise Kohli may still be marginally in front. 

[CricketBuffOne]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Sehwag also  had a great impact on his day but he still wasn't our best test batsman.

Agree with your point, but I think fans will view Virat and Rahane the same way they did Sachin & Dravid. While Dravid was technically more sound (may be, marginally), fans always preferred to watch Sachin bat. Same is the case with these two.

For opponents also, Virat's wicket will be more precious just because of the impact it can have on the psyche of both teams.  

Edited November 10, 2016 by CricketBuffOne

[CricketBuffOne]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

??

 

Rahane has scored everywhere

 

Kohli failed in England

Rahane has had his share of grey patches. His record in Eng is at best average, while in SL its below average. 

[CricketBuffOne]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Scored a ton there though IIRC.Even in England he averages 35 odd

 

Compared to Kohli,he has a better allround record

 

 

What is IIRC?

[Lord]

Just now, CricketBuffOne said:

What is IIRC?

If I remember correctly

[CricketBuffOne]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

Kohli is hardly an impact player in tests atm.

Trichromatic, I am sure the opposition thinks otherwise. 

[CricketBuffOne]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

If I remember correctly

I see, thanks. 

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, CricketBuffOne said:

Agree with your observation regarding impact factor. 
As for the averages, Rahane's is higher because of the 7 not out knocks compared to Virat's 1. Run-wise Kohli may still be marginally in front. 

 

Yes...in the last 3 years in tests, if we consider runs per innings, it is 47.5 for Kohli and 45.9 for Rahane.

Edited November 10, 2016 by express bowling

[CricketBuffOne]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes...in the last 3 years in tests, if we consider runs per innings, it is 47.5 for Kohli and 45.9 for Rahane.

Thanks for doing the math!  This really helps clear the air.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Thats how u win ur opponents

 

 

Best line from the video- "if u dream to bat like virat, then wakeup n apologize to urself"

[Vijy]

On 11/10/2016 at 11:23 AM, express bowling said:

 

Yes...in the last 3 years in tests, if we consider runs per innings, it is 47.5 for Kohli and 45.9 for Rahane.

Yes, Rahane had the advantage of scoring some useful runs for declaration and then going back not-out. But, he also saved some matches of course - like that one in Oz with BK.

[Muloghonto]

On 11/10/2016 at 1:31 AM, CricketBuffOne said:

Agree with your observation regarding impact factor. 
As for the averages, Rahane's is higher because of the 7 not out knocks compared to Virat's 1. Run-wise Kohli may still be marginally in front. 

So what ? First rule of test batting is don't get out. 
Test cricket has a simple division of goals : The goal of a batsman is NOT to lose the test, which means don't get out. For the exact same average, i will always take the dogged batsman over the flashy one in tests. 

The goal of a bowler is to win the match by taking as many wickets as possible. As such, for the exact same average, i will always prefer the bowler who takes wickets at a superior strike rate.

But obviously, for a TEAM, you need both types of batsmen & bowlers - ones who will not get out AND the ones who will up the scoring rate, as well as bowlers who will blow through a batting lineup AND the ones who will build pressure at the other end.

 

[MCcricket]

Root is fantastic and best among his contemporaries, have not seen many batters from outside have such a good game against our spinners on our tracks, saying that Virat is also the Capt and the assurance that he gives when he comes into bat no other batter gives at this stage.

Scary thing is Virat is still peaking in test and Root has a dodgy back, my guess is by the time Virat retires he will be counted among the few greatest to have played the game, along with Don, Tendulkar, Lara n Richards but even better stats, might not break Tendulkar most runs record owing to career span but will break most other

[sandeep]

10 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Root is fantastic and best among his contemporaries, have not seen many batters from outside have such a good game against our spinners on our tracks, saying that Virat is also the Capt and the assurance that he gives when he comes into bat no other batter gives at this stage.

Scary thing is Virat is still peaking in test and Root has a dodgy back, my guess is by the time Virat retires he will be counted among the few greatest to have played the game, along with Don, Tendulkar, Lara n Richards but even better stats, might not break Tendulkar most runs record owing to career span but will break most other

Always a mistake to extrapolate performances of an athlete in his prime.  Careers usually see a bunch of peaks and valleys before they are complete.

[MCcricket]

4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Always a mistake to extrapolate performances of an athlete in his prime.  Careers usually see a bunch of peaks and valleys before they are complete.

Precisely, Virat is still coming to grips with captaincy n can improve and also his test batting, so it's scary on how high he will go, he already scored 2400 runs this year, can you believe that in all there formats

[Vijy]

On 11/10/2016 at 4:38 AM, CricketBuffOne said:

Agree with your point, but I think fans will view Virat and Rahane the same way they did Sachin & Dravid. While Dravid was technically more sound (may be, marginally), fans always preferred to watch Sachin bat. Same is the case with these two.

For opponents also, Virat's wicket will be more precious just because of the impact it can have on the psyche of both teams.  

Disagree. If you look at Tendu from 1993-2011 (a long, long stretch), he was technically competent all-round, more than Dravid. Latter didn't handle spin as well as former (lower home avg) and also didn't possess good records in SA and Oz (except one tour of latter). SRT may now be perceived as "selfish" by some, but in terms of technical ability, he was peerless.. only Sunny rivalled him, and I think Sunny rated him higher in terms of technique than him.