India should seriously consider and push for 2 international teams

[express bowling]

On 2/8/2017 at 0:31 PM, Mariyam said:

What are the kind of attendance figures in games featuring India A today?

 

IMO India A vs England/Bangladesh just wouldn't draw the kind of footfall (and interest) that is generally associated when India plays ODIs.

 

This idea is solely regarding LOI tournaments and not regarding bilateral tests or LOIs.

 

The deciding factor here would be whether say a game between India A and England would generate more interest than a game between Wi and NZ.  If the answer is yes, then it makes sense to have such games.

 

Also, as sarchasm said earlier, it depends on how such games are marketed.

 

A properly marketed ODI tournament featuring a full strength India, England, India A and Sri Lanka, would generate lots of interest.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2017 by express bowling

[Vilander]

On 2/8/2017 at 2:01 AM, Mariyam said:

What are the kind of attendance figures in games featuring India A today?

 

IMO India A vs England/Bangladesh just wouldn't draw the kind of footfall (and interest) that is generally associated when India plays ODIs.

i think there would be a need to pander to the regional differences a bit, may be have North team ( call it something rooted ofcourse ), have a west team (Guj/Maharastra/KA ) close to Indian team will be the best team and will beat other teams, have a rest of India from Bengal all the way to TN. Or have two teams North + bengal and West + South.

[Vilander]

10 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

there used to be a trophy called mj gopalan trophy between tn and sl before sl became an int side then it got scrapped , remember aus fielding 2 teams aus and aus a along with the 3rd int team in their triseries in the 90s which helped them build backup players.but i would rather have a domestic league like ipl extended ,ind a wont capture the public's imagination and it wont provide enough opportunities .

there is room to exploit the bengal nationality, have a combined bengal team vs say a north india,West, South,SL. you have a tourney there. But yeah marketability needs to be professionally assessed, and bilateral commitments need to be dialed down proportionally.

[Forever Indian]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

This idea is solely regarding LOI tournaments and not regarding bilateral tests or LOIs.

 

The deciding factor here would be whether say a game between India A and England would generate more interest than a game between Wi and NZ.  If the answer is yes, then it makes sense to have such games.

 

Also, as sarchasm said earlier, it depends on how such games are marketed.

 

A properly marketed ODI tournament featuring a full strength India, England, India A and Sri Lanka, would generate lots of interest.

 

 

So the A teams will play only such tournaments which will happen once a year or so. What will happen to World rankings, surely they will be made redundant because no proper team sport like Soccer, Basketball, Hockey, etc allow multiple teams per country. At max we can boast about individual player rankings and start looking forward to individual milestones like Gavaskar and Manju do.

 

Then if A teams start participating in World Cups it will lose it's meaning as well. Also the tournament will either become more longer or will essentially have mostly knockout matches. None of which is going to increase revenue or satisfy Viewer experience.

Edited February 9, 2017 by Forever Indian

[express bowling]

41 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

So the A teams will play only such tournaments which will happen once a year or so. What will happen to World rankings, surely they will be made redundant because no proper team sport like Soccer, Basketball, Hockey, etc allow multiple teams per country. At max we can boast about individual player rankings and start looking forward to individual milestones like Gavaskar and Manju do.

Why would team rankings not exist  ?   A-teams will have separate rankings which will be low due to only a few matches.

 

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Then if A teams start participating in World Cups it will lose it's meaning as well. Also the tournament will either become more longer or will essentially have mostly knockout matches. None of which is going to increase revenue or satisfy Viewer experience.

 

A couple of more A-teams will not change the league format at all in World Cups.

Edited February 9, 2017 by express bowling

[Forever Indian]

12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Why would team rankings not exist  ?   A teams will have separate rankings which will be low.

 

 

A couple of more A teams will not change the league format at all in World Cups.

It will mean even lesser Associates allowed  in WC main event which will mean a bigger step backwards to getting more countries playing Cricket at highest level.

 

IMO there are more Cons than Pros with this. 

 

One thing that BCCI should rather focus on is to increase promotions for Ranji/State teams. We should have big followers of respective state/city teams like they have in County cricket. This will ensure more revenue as well a second more people wanting to play cricket. Right now Cricket viewership in India is only concentrated at the International and IPL level.

Edited February 9, 2017 by Forever Indian

[maniac]

I remember one of the B&H series in Aus back in the 90's when both their A Team and main team participated....the A team games obviously did not have international status and then the final still ended up being Aus vs Aus A

[maniac]

Found the series

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60964.html

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

It will mean even lesser Associates allowed  in WC main event which will mean a bigger step backwards to getting more countries playing Cricket at highest level.

 

It could also mean leagues consisting of more teams and increased number of  India matches subsidizing the added associate nation matches. 

[maniac]

Also look at the Aus A team lol...Ponting,Moody,Lehmann,Hayden,Martyn,Reiffel

 

 

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

 

One thing that BCCI should rather focus on is to increase promotions for Ranji/State teams. We should have big followers of respective state/city teams like they have in County cricket. This will ensure more revenue as well a second more people wanting to play cricket. Right now Cricket viewership in India is only concentrated at the International and IPL level.

 

I think more Challenger Trophy 50 over tournaments and matches, played after proper marketing, could be fun to watch due to higher competition and top players outside the national team.... and revenue accretive too. 

[Ultimate_Game]

Let us first win in Aus and SA before proposing multiple teams...

[rtmohanlal]

such joke of a thread... yes as you said it is possible to trace out  even 4 or 5 teams to play in the subcontinent. But the Indian team is still

lagging  in quality players in several slots especially quality fast bowlers to take 20 wkts in completely foreign conditions.

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

such joke of a thread... yes as you said it is possible to trace out  even 4 or 5 teams to play in the subcontinent. But the Indian team is still

lagging  in quality players in several slots especially quality fast bowlers to take 20 wkts in completely foreign conditions.

We do not lack quality players. Quality players do not grow on trees.They are nurtured gradually.Recently we are doing good job in the department of pace bowling for the uncapped. The only thing lacking is the courage to give them more chances at internationals.We just keep on recycling tried and tested failures and are not bold enough to experiment and try out new bowlers.Even against opposition like Bangladesh in a one off series we are unwilling to drop Ishant and try someone new.This match was ideal to try atleast one promising fast bowler.

[Trichromatic]

Really?

[Mahaa Raavana]

In my high opinion, India could easily push for three international teams... 

[King Tendulkar]

Now this was an arrogant stupid thread 

[BeautifulGame]

 

Only two ?

 

[BCCI]

As I said its very revolutionary

[zen]

Such ideas need to be evaluated in terms of factors such as: 

 

• Value addition: How will two Ind teams add value to cricket? In terms of revenues, what is the market potential for a Ind 1 vs Ind 2 series 
• Record keeping: How would the records be kept? Say Ind 1 wins a 3-tests series 3-0, while Ind 2 loses 0-3, so what would be the impact on ICC test rankings? Or is the performance of Ind 1 considered separately from Ind 2's 
• Team selection: If there are two teams, one cannot have say Ashwin playing for Ind 1 in one series and Ind 2 in another, so the core regions representing each team need to be marked out. And then, one has to study the impact of such a breakdown on Ind's overall team strength 
• Equality: How would Ind having two teams impact other teams which can only field one team. Say if Aus is allowed to field two teams, would Ind think it as fair? 

 

I actually like the idea of having a stronger and more competitive domestic competition with 6 teams and provision to play international players. Players from non-test playing countries can be be given special slots so that gives an opportunity to players from countries such as AFG, Nepal, Kenya, etc. May be top domestic team from BD and SL for example can participate in the competition too 

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2017 by zen