Rahane can be our floater for 2019WC in middle order- Kohli

[Pollack]

40 minutes ago, kosingh said:

Amla? His average was 50 by his 10th ODI. A couple of dips below 50 for a small number of games after that. But from his 25th game his average never fell below 50. Rahane is no Amla.

Not necessarily giving example of ODI or tests. Way to miss the point.He was regarded as a top talent but he had a horrid start to his career in tests. His technique was severely criticised and he was dropped. He went back and had a complete transformation. Made a strong comeback. People now doubted him adjusting to shorter format and he proved them wrong again. The example was meant to show that some class players can have 360 degree transformation if they have right attitude. Rahane seems to have those qualities. He is hard working and willing to learn. I am all in favour of dropping him but the way ICFers here percieve of Rahane is like he is a tailender in ODIs. He is still good but not good enough. Don't mix format. He has no business being in t20s in any capacity.But as an opener in ODIs Rahane is not bad at all.

 

    Having said that he needs a kick in the bum so that he brings much needed changes in his game to adjust to current ODIs demand. He needs to work harder on his efficiency to find gaps. In tests its much easier. Not so in LOIs. Strike rotation can be worked on. 

[Temujin Khaghan]

2 hours ago, WC2011INDIA said:

what were other chutiyas doing? Rohit and Virat? I am the biggest hahane hater but to say we lost that match because of him and the world cup is frankly nonsense. I would say we lost world t20 semi final because of him..not the world cup. Indians fans are such chutiyas sometimes.

yes I agree, some Indian fans are such chutiyas that if anyone says "X ruined a chase", they will immediately convert that statement to a "you said X is the reason we lost that match". Lots of difference between both the statements. there are quite a few reasons why we lost that match... as you mentioned kohli, Rohit...  and also like I said Rahane, who did his part to ruin the chase..

Edited June 26, 2017 by Temujin Khaghan

[Sean Bradley]

Basically "L" Lag Gaye Batting Line up ke !

[BeautifulGame]

 

Not necessarily giving example of ODI or tests. Way to miss the point.He was regarded as a top talent but he had a horrid start to his career in tests. His technique was severely criticised and he was dropped. He went back and had a complete transformation. Made a strong comeback. People now doubted him adjusting to shorter format and he proved them wrong again. The example was meant to show that some class players can have 360 degree transformation if they have right attitude. Rahane seems to have those qualities. He is hard working and willing to learn. I am all in favour of dropping him but the way ICFers here percieve of Rahane is like he is a tailender in ODIs. He is still good but not good enough. Don't mix format. He has no business being in t20s in any capacity.But as an opener in ODIs Rahane is not bad at all.

 

 

 

    Having said that he needs a kick in the bum so that he brings much needed changes in his game to adjust to current ODIs demand. He needs to work harder on his efficiency to find gaps. In tests its much easier. Not so in LOIs. Strike rotation can be worked on. 

 

 

 

 

Rahane is a pathetic ODI batsman .End of story.

 

I would take Yuvi ahead of him any day long and that isn't even a complement on Yuvi lol

[BeautifulGame]

 

In the middle order (excluding Zimbabwe)

 

 

Rahane averages 31 at a strike rate of 82 .Beyond comical.

 

 

Yeah floter

 

 

[Sidhoni]

3 hours ago, WC2011INDIA said:

Last wc? If i am not mistaken he did fairly decently..75+ against SA off 60 balls 

Against Australia he tried hard by scoring 40+ off 60+ balls but barring dhawan all were **** in that match.

We lost that world cup because of virat and rohit failing at a crucial point and mediocre captaincy.

Are you high or what lol

 

Against SA played a blinder.

 

Struggled against Aus. 

 

And please explain how exactly was captaincy mediocre and where did it cost us? Apart from playing Rahane at 4..

[kosingh]

Out of specialist batsmen who hqve played 70+ ODIs for India, has there ever been anyone worse?

Edited June 26, 2017 by kosingh

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Pollack said:

Strike rotation can be worked on. 

I see your bland platitude, and raise you...one Rohit Sharma. 

[Pollack]

11 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rahane is a pathetic ODI batsman .End of story.

 

I would take Yuvi ahead of him any day long and that isn't even a complement on Yuvi lol

 

10 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

 

In the middle order (excluding Zimbabwe)

 

 

 

 

Rahane averages 31 at a strike rate of 82 .Beyond comical.

 

 

 

 

Yeah floter

 

 

Need to look beyond stats. He has been tried in t20s and his struggle in t20I has skewed perception of not able to accelerate. In ODIs as an opener even dhawan after playing positively ends up with 110 strike rate or around. Rahane has capability to do that though he has failed until now. Statisticall, yes he has been bad. But he is very much capable.But no need to over exaggerate his failure and pass judgement that he is pathetic. 

[sandeep]

2 minutes ago, kosingh said:

Out of specialist batsmen who hqve played 70+ ODIs for India, has there ever been anyone worse?

Why blame him for wanting to be part of ODIs.  Even Dravid played so many ODIs at 60 SR before he was forced to be keeper.   Blame the captain for questionable decisions.  

[Sidhoni]

Just now, Pollack said:

 

Need to look beyond stats. He has been tried in t20s and his struggle in t20I has skewed perception of not able to accelerate. In ODIs as an opener even dhawan after playing positively ends up with 110 strike rate or around. Rahane has capability to do that though he has failed until now. Statisticall, yes he has been bad. But he is very much capable.But no need to over exaggerate his failure and pass judgement that he is pathetic. 

I agree. The hate on here is too much. But playing him at 4 is just not done.

[kosingh]

Just now, sandeep said:

Why blame him for wanting to be part of ODIs.  Even Dravid played so many ODIs at 60 SR before he was forced to be keeper.   Blame the captain for questionable decisions.  

It is indeed a criticism of the captain. Major concerns about Kohli in several areas relating to captaincy-- man management, strategy, tactics, team selection

[sandeep]

2 minutes ago, Pollack said:

 

Need to look beyond stats. He has been tried in t20s and his struggle in t20I has skewed perception of not able to accelerate. In ODIs as an opener even dhawan after playing positively ends up with 110 strike rate or around. Rahane has capability to do that though he has failed until now. Statisticall, yes he has been bad. But he is very much capable.But no need to over exaggerate his failure and pass judgement that he is pathetic. 

Rahane is a serviceable opener for ODIs.  Agree that this gets overlooked in the overall dissatisfaction with his seriously limited power game.   In fact, its arguable that against proper quality bowling on even a slightly helpful track - he may even be a better option than tailunt.   But unfortunately, Jinxy has blown a big number of opportunities in ODIs, and failed to rack up the big scores that Indian top order bats need, to solidify their claim in the top order.   

 

And secondly, and most importantly, Rahane is not a batsman you want at the crease after the 40th over - that disqualifies him from batting any lower than 3 in our setup.   For Mr. Wrogn to claim that he can be a middle order option is clearly a self-serving inaccurate statement.  

[Pollack]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I see your bland platitude, and raise you...one Rohit Sharma. 

Rahane also does not rotate much strike. He plays a lot of dots. Rohit is similar. The difference being Rohit has a release shot. Rahane releases himself from batting when he tries to catch up with SR.  Rahane indeed needs to work on Strike rotation which will give him much needed stability to not try slog.

 

[BeautifulGame]

Why blame him for wanting to be part of ODIs.  Even Dravid played so many ODIs at 60 SR before he was forced to be keeper.   Blame the captain for questionable decisions.  

 

Dravid played in an era where middle order bats were averaging in 70s at best though.

 

Heck Ganguly a top ODI was opening and still had a SR of 70odd.

 

Much different from Rahane.

[Pollack]

5 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

I agree. The hate on here is too much. But playing him at 4 is just not done.

 

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Rahane is a serviceable opener for ODIs.  Agree that this gets overlooked in the overall dissatisfaction with his seriously limited power game.   In fact, its arguable that against proper quality bowling on even a slightly helpful track - he may even be a better option than tailunt.   But unfortunately, Jinxy has blown a big number of opportunities in ODIs, and failed to rack up the big scores that Indian top order bats need, to solidify their claim in the top order.   

 

And secondly, and most importantly, Rahane is not a batsman you want at the crease after the 40th over - that disqualifies him from batting any lower than 3 in our setup.   For Mr. Wrogn to claim that he can be a middle order option is clearly a self-serving inaccurate statement.  

Kohli is clueless. Rahane in middle order in ODIs is disastrous. Specially when we have many better options.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Virat was the part of this team when dhoni openely said that rahane struggles in middle specially against spinners 

Well if team learned that why are we going through that whole process again, we have been trying to make rahane a floater ever since and nothing gr8 has happened

 

The most important question is With like of Rahul, pandey, pant, iyer, hooda, rana emerging middle order contenders how long do we keep trying on rahane n keep these youngsters away from chances. We have so much to try and we arent passed over a failed experiment 

Ssssh.  You just answered your own question.   If you were a BCCI commentator, you'd be in line for losing your job by now.  

[sandeep]

1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

Dravid played in an era where middle order bats were averaging in 70s at best though.

 

Heck Ganguly a top ODI was opening and still had a SR of 70odd.

 

Much different from Rahane.

Not that different - he was 60s SR bat at a time when 70s SR was acceptbale - Rahane is a 70s SR when 80s SR is considered acceptable.  So the comparison is there.  Unless you look at Dravid through those special glasses - either the bonda ones, or the 'past gets prettier as time goes by'.   Take your pick.  

[BeautifulGame]

Need to look beyond stats. He has been tried in t20s and his struggle in t20I has skewed perception of not able to accelerate. In ODIs as an opener even dhawan after playing positively ends up with 110 strike rate or around. Rahane has capability to do that though he has failed until now. Statisticall, yes he has been bad. But he is very much capable.But no need to over exaggerate his failure and pass judgement that he is pathetic. 

 

Rahane is only capable if the wicket is road , true bounce and lightning quick outfield and pace dominated attack.Otherwise he is useless in ODIs .

 

Dhawan is a far far superior batsman than Rahane in ODIs .Comparing them is a joke.Its like comparing Yuvraj Singh and Mohd Kaif lol

 

 

Any batsman who has career stats of averaging in 30s and strike rate of 70s in modern era is pathetic for India.

[maniac]

Rahane has only 2 gears or max 3.

Dhawan is consistently on gear 3

Rohit you think is on gear 1-2 but boy he can switch it up to gear 5 and turbo mode when set.

Rahul is the  guy who looks like he has gears 1-4,does he have a gear 5...not sure.