Navdeep Saini and Shardul Thakur will join the Indian team as net bowlers in Johannesburg ahead of the third test

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, maniac said:

Our bowlers are fine...if one of them has a niggle get Yadav in...poor guy deserves his 100th wicket...he will be fresh and raring to go.

Not at all. They all bowled good only in patches. Ishant finally got lucky and got some wickets despite being very average.

[rkt.india]

Saini should play. Nothing to lose.

[maniac]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Not at all. They all bowled good only in patches. Ishant finally got lucky and got some wickets despite being very average.

It is still the best overseas bowling performance for the matter of fact best display of fastbowling performance I have seen by an Indian fast bowling unit ever...4 consecutive innings less than 350,how many times have you seen Indian fast bowling unit do that? 

 

Only complaint is they were a little late on figuring out the lengths to bowl and that blame goes to the coaches,but once they got it right,they looked better quality than the South African counterparts...Our batting has singlehandedly screwed us.

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

It is still the best overseas bowling performance for the matter of fact best display of fastbowling performance I have seen by an Indian fast bowling unit ever...4 consecutive innings less than 350,how many times have you seen Indian fast bowling unit do that? 

 

Only complaint is they were a little late on figuring out the lengths to bowl and that blame goes to the coaches,but once they got it right,they looked better quality than the South African counterparts...Our batting has singlehandedly screwed us.

Less than 350 is because of the pitches they bowled on. 

[beetle]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Saini should play. Nothing to lose.

That is a good way to  reward the bowlers who were the only saving grace till now.

That 's the way to go .

First  blow out the confidence of batsmen and then the bowlers.

 

Edited January 19, 2018 by beetle

[beetle]

Is Shami a part of the ODI squad ?

[speedheat]

3 minutes ago, beetle said:

Is Shami a part of the ODI squad ?

Yes

[speedheat]

Bhuvi

Siani

Bumrah

Pandya

Ashwin  

This should be the attack 

 

 

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, beetle said:

That is a good way to  reward the bowlers who were the only saving grace till now.

That 's the way to go .

First  blow out the confidence of batsmen and then the bowlers.

 

you think so? Because i don't think bowlers were any great. They all did well in patches but not enough to win the game. Every time, they had advantage they let it slip.  Playing Navdeep will give the right message which they were not good enough.

Edited January 19, 2018 by rkt.india

[beetle]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you think so? Because i don't think bowlers were any great. They all did well in patches but not enough to win the game. Every time, they had advantage they let it slip.  Playing Navdeep will give the right message which they were not good enough.

How does a team win games if  bowlers are expected to get the opposition out twice with so many drops?

Are you saying saini is better than Shami , bhuvi and Bumrah ? 

 

Wow....punish the only department of the team that is actually working.

 

Batsmen don't do their job, fielders and wk don't do their job , and the caption effs up....but the bowlers who got 40 wkts even after so many drops get to be taught a lesson.

 

Looks like you also belong to the eff up with people mind school of leadership.

 

If you were expecting the Indian attack to do better than the SA attack in their home...then you are just delusional and over expecting.

This is the attack that has given so much sucess in the recent years....and time to eff it up .

 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2018 by beetle

[rkt.india]

12 minutes ago, beetle said:

How does a team win games if  bowlers are expected to get the opposition out twice with so many drops?

Are you saying saini is better than Shami , bhuvi and Bumrah ? 

 

Wow....punish the only department of the team that is actually working.

 

Batsmen don't do their job, fielders and wk don't do their job , and the caption effs up....but the bowlers who got 40 wkts even after so many drops get to be taught a lesson.

 

Looks like you also belong to the eff up with people mind school of leadership.

 

If you were expecting the Indian attack to do better than the SA attack in their home...then you are just delusional and over expecting.

This is the attack that has given so much sucess in the recent years....and time to eff it up .

 

 

 

Saini out bowled Shami in Ranji SF, so, who knows he might do better than Shami.  Unless, you give him chance you wont know.  Our goal should be to find better bowlers and not just hung on to average bowlers.  Good competition is always healthy.  Likes BK, Bumrah they will keep working hard on their games, but likes of Shami would do better with stiffer competition for their places.  Shami has the tendency to fall into complacency.

 

On one side, you are saying you were expecting Indian attack to do better than SA attack and then also forgetting that then you yourself were expecting Indian batsmen to do better than SA batsmen in their own den against a superior attack than us.  I am not saying Indian bowling on the whole was bad but they just could not capitalize at the crucial moments like first test first Innings once they were 12/3 and then in 2nd test 2nd innings when they 3/2.  I have problem in trying and failing but problem when not trying, which Shami did most of the two tests apart from that one spell when match was already slipping away.

[Nonbeliever]

Kohl needs 20 member squad  so that nobody can guess his playing 11.  He a really smart cuptaan.  Gives nothing away to opposition before the game starts.

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Saini out bowled Shami in Ranji SF, so, who knows he might do better than Shami.  Unless, you give him chance you wont know.  Our goal should be to find better bowlers and not just hung on to average bowlers.  Good competition is always healthy.  Likes BK, Bumrah they will keep working hard on their games, but likes of Shami would do better with stiffer competition for their places.  Shami has the tendency to fall into complacency.

 

On one side, you are saying you were expecting Indian attack to do better than SA attack and then also forgetting that then you yourself were expecting Indian batsmen to do better than SA batsmen in their own den against a superior attack than us.  I am not saying Indian bowling on the whole was bad but they just could not capitalize at the crucial moments like first test first Innings once they were 12/3 and then in 2nd test 2nd innings when they 3/2.  I have problem in trying and failing but problem when not trying, which Shami did most of the two tests apart from that one spell when match was already slipping away.

As per your logic, the whole set of batsmen should be replaced, including the captain. It is a fundamental corporate rule followed worldwide - You don't try to correct a system which is working fine!

 

It is obvious the batsmen are ill equipped, its got to be the batsmen who should be replaced, not bowlers.

[kira]

11 hours ago, Green Monster said:

u already have kumar and yadav as nets bowlers, dont see why uall need 2 more...

We also already have 2-3 phateechar trolls from padosiland on this forum, don't see why we need another phateechar like you here

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

As per your logic, the whole set of batsmen should be replaced, including the captain. It is a fundamental corporate rule followed worldwide - You don't try to correct a system which is working fine!

 

It is obvious the batsmen are ill equipped, its got to be the batsmen who should be replaced, not bowlers.

Bowlers have to put effort and carry more work load and we have 2-3 big overseas tours coming up and they are more prone to get injured.  So, it is better to have replacements ready. This is not the case with batsmen and I am not asking to replace all bowlers, but you can always try a newcomer in a dead rubber.  Look at SA, they brought in Ngidi while they had more experienced Morris and Oliver sitting on the bench.  In batsmen, most of them are proven performer and that is not the case with bowlers.  We are still searching for the right bowlers and right combination that can win us overseas.  They are still not able to hunt in pairs. If one is bowling well, they release the pressure from the other end.  

[Rightarmfast]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bowlers have to put effort and carry more work load and we have 2-3 big overseas tours coming up and they are more prone to get injured.  So, it is better to have replacements ready. This is not the case with batsmen and I am not asking to replace all bowlers, but you can always try a newcomer in a dead rubber.  Look at SA, they brought in Ngidi while they had more experienced Morris and Oliver sitting on the bench.  In batsmen, most of them are proven performer and that is not the case with bowlers.  We are still searching for the right bowlers and right combination that can win us overseas.  They are still not able to hunt in pairs. If one is bowling well, they release the pressure from the other end.  

The point is, it sends a wrong signal to the players. They are humans afterall. If a punishment is being meted out, you better be fair as a leader or its going to have a long term adverse effect on the whole team. 

Ngidi came when Steyn was clearly injured. Cant say the same for Indian team. However, what is clear is that the batsmen are just freeloaders. Either kick them out, or just play 11 bowlers as the bowlers are batting better than the batsmen.

[Straight Drive]

Bowling attack is good. There is no need to mess up with it. Already Bhuvi must be wondering why the hell he was dropped, and now if they drop another player from the performing bowling attack, then these pacers will lose all the confidence they have in the captain, the think tank and the selectors. You never know madness will strike again though. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Navdeep shud seriously play, thats the only way we can get in a youngster 

Bumrah can be rested as he ll be playing all formats 

Shami ko bhi rest de do, who knws he might do better in ODi with a bit of rest and knowing he only has to bowl 10. HE is a wkt taker 

 

also if their is grass well , what a place to debut

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

The point is, it sends a wrong signal to the players. They are humans afterall. If a punishment is being meted out, you better be fair as a leader or its going to have a long term adverse effect on the whole team. 

Ngidi came when Steyn was clearly injured. Cant say the same for Indian team. However, what is clear is that the batsmen are just freeloaders. Either kick them out, or just play 11 bowlers as the bowlers are batting better than the batsmen.

You will have to keep the conditions in mind too. If it was India, I would have asked for a batsman and blamed batsmen for nonperformance more too, but because it is SA, i am asking for bowler and pointing fingers at the bowlers more.  if we need to really compete overseas, we will have to be better than them in at least one of the two departments than them.  We cannot out-bowl them in these conditions, you think we will outbat them?  we did neither. Whenever overseas teams have won in India, they have outbatted and outbowled us.   

[rkt.india]

12 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Bowling attack is good. There is no need to mess up with it. Already Bhuvi must be wondering why the hell he was dropped, and now if they drop another player from the performing bowling attack, then these pacers will lose all the confidence they have in the captain, the think tank and the selectors. You never know madness will strike again though. 

it is not about drop. it is a long tour and Shami can be rested. We have some more tours coming up. we need to know who will be our top 3 bowlers going ahead.