Can Shaw be the X factor in WC like Dhwan in CT13

[bahubali]

Out of all youngsters he looks more promising in terms of dominating bowling attack. Also unleashing him in WC will not give any team opportunities to work out on his limitation. He can open or play at 3 as our respected coach sir said that kohli may play at 4. And boy if he last 10-15 overs he can run away with matches as he has confidence and penchant of sehwag. Thoughts.,...

[bahubali]

Mods please delete other threads open on same topic. It was created by mistake.

[R!TTER]

For that he has to play first!

[bahubali]

Just now, R!TTER said:

For that he has to play first!

Absolutely and he should be fit . I hope that he gets a wild card entry.

[maniac]

He should replace Dhawan 

[Nikola]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

He should replace Dhawan 

Not really Dhawan is beast in icc tournaments. Can replace rohit who is very inconsistent these days.

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Not really Dhawan is beast in icc tournaments. Can replace rohit who is very inconsistent these days.

Beast in ICC tournaments? let us bring back Yuvraj and Pathan as well. His form has been iffy. Rohit just had 2-3 bad games but before that he was the top scorer or played match winning innings in every series. Infact Nzl was the first series in a long time where Rohit didn’t score a 100 and even there got a 80 odd.

 

Horses for courses. You need to play a player on current form.

Edited February 6, 2019 by maniac

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, bahubali said:

Out of all youngsters he looks more promising in terms of dominating bowling attack. Also unleashing him in WC will not give any team opportunities to work out on his limitation. He can open or play at 3 as our respected coach sir said that kohli may play at 4. And boy if he last 10-15 overs he can run away with matches as he has confidence and penchant of sehwag. Thoughts.,...

No team would take a risk with changing a successful opening pair like Rohit and Dhawan.  Especially right before a WC.

 

I was pushing for KLPD Rahul to open and push Brohit to #3 about 15 months ago to try and improve India's sub-par scoring average in the 1st 10 overs.  Its too late for the WC at this point. 

[Nikola]

50 minutes ago, maniac said:

Beast in ICC tournaments? let us bring back Yuvraj and Pathan as well. His form has been iffy. Rohit just had 2-3 bad games but before that he was the top scorer or played match winning innings in every series. Infact Nzl was the first series in a long time where Rohit didn’t score a 100 and even there got a 80 odd.

 

Horses for courses. You need to play a player on current form.

Dhawan hasn't done that bad yet. Even if he fails in whole aus tour he will be back to worldcup with great form for sure.

[flamy]

 

He is not even in the squad! Not even played ODIs yet.

Edited February 6, 2019 by flamy

[flamy]

@Laaloo strayed too far from the crib again  

 

Did you learn ABCs yet to actually reply to a post instead of downvoting? 

Edited February 6, 2019 by flamy

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Beast in ICC tournaments? let us bring back Yuvraj and Pathan as well. His form has been iffy.

So was he out of form before 2015 wc and 2017 CT

nothing wrong with his form, u see rahul thats what is out of form. Bad form is when u loose timing, technical , mental issues ....luck not going ur way 

 

What dhawan is going through is perfectly normal. He is just getting out at wrong time 

 

Yuvraj n pathan were done n dusted not dhawan, he picks his game in Wcs 

Edited February 6, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[bahubali]

37 minutes ago, sandeep said:

No team would take a risk with changing a successful opening pair like Rohit and Dhawan.  Especially right before a WC.

 

I was pushing for KLPD Rahul to open and push Brohit to #3 about 15 months ago to try and improve India's sub-par scoring average in the 1st 10 overs.  Its too late for the WC at this point. 

I said either opening or no 3 as they are thinking to bat kohli at 4.

[bahubali]

31 minutes ago, flamy said:

 

He is not even in the squad! Not even played ODIs yet.

True but so was Dhwan and Yusuf Pathan before their debut in CT13 and wt20 final. Also we still have aus series and ipl to happen. Also if we have to carry an extra batsmen who else would you pick?.

[sandeep]

4 minutes ago, bahubali said:

True but so was Dhwan and Yusuf Pathan before their debut in CT13 and wt20 final. Also we still have aus series and ipl to happen. Also if we have to carry an extra batsmen who else would you pick?.

Its rarely a good idea to pick players for a WC who haven't played at least 15-20 games at the int'l level.  Because you simply don't know whether they will be able to sustain their performance or not.  Its too much of a gamble.  You can do that if you are desperately lacking a certain type of player to feel a required role.  For example, a team like Bangladesh could gamble on a rookie leg-spinner, because they desperately need one, and even a half-decent leggie could really help them.  But India, with its 2 borderline-ATG ODI openers, don't need to resort to such gambles.

 

And it wouldn't be fair to Shaw - players who have the potential to be 10+ year players should be put into positions which increase their probability of success.  To throw them into a high-profile tournament without adequate opportunity to build up confidence and handle adversity, is not ideal.  

 

Of course, if the situation arises, debuts can and often are made in challenging circumstances.  But from a team planning and management perspective, it shouldn't be done unless deemed really necessary.  

[bowl_out]

9 minutes ago, bahubali said:

True but so was Dhwan and Yusuf Pathan before their debut in CT13 and wt20 final. Also we still have aus series and ipl to happen. Also if we have to carry an extra batsmen who else would you pick?.

What did Yusuf Pathan do in the WT20 final that is worthy of a call out here? 

[bahubali]

10 hours ago, sandeep said:

Its rarely a good idea to pick players for a WC who haven't played at least 15-20 games at the int'l level.  Because you simply don't know whether they will be able to sustain their performance or not.  Its too much of a gamble.  You can do that if you are desperately lacking a certain type of player to feel a required role.  For example, a team like Bangladesh could gamble on a rookie leg-spinner, because they desperately need one, and even a half-decent leggie could really help them.  But India, with its 2 borderline-ATG ODI openers, don't need to resort to such gambles.

 

And it wouldn't be fair to Shaw - players who have the potential to be 10+ year players should be put into positions which increase their probability of success.  To throw them into a high-profile tournament without adequate opportunity to build up confidence and handle adversity, is not ideal.  

 

Of course, if the situation arises, debuts can and often are made in challenging circumstances.  But from a team planning and management perspective, it shouldn't be done unless deemed really necessary.  

Ya you are right but my idea was not to put him at opening with Rohit and dhawan ,he can be backup opner or just in case if kohli is moving to 4th position we can try him at 3 . Otherwise who do you think should bat at 3 if kohli comes at 4.

[bahubali]

10 hours ago, bowl_out said:

What did Yusuf Pathan do in the WT20 final that is worthy of a call out here? 

He dint do much other than bashing 15 run in an Asif over. But point is we tried new players in big tournament before 

[Tendulkar1996]

Shaw is an out and out opener and a boundary hitter.I dont think he's suitable for middle overs game.

[gakgupta]

What??

Is Shaw fit? the why is not playing any competitive cricket?

If he is not even fit, then there is no point discussing