randomGuy Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 https://www.livemint.com/news/world/sweden-says-its-no-lockdown-strategy-proving-effective-against-coronavirus-11587365383534.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Stockholm could achieve herd immunity by next month, health chief claims. https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/20/stockholm-achieve-herd-immunity-next-month-health-chief-claims-12580668/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Where citizens act responsibly by getting involved in self isolation, maintaining adequate social distancing, etc., strict measures can be overlooked .... People work from home, major cities are only 30% busy, public transportation 50% down .... Though universities are closed down, a gathering of more than 50 people not allowed, sporting events banned, and so on as these measures have to be taken Edited April 22, 2020 by zen Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, zen said: Where citizens act responsibly by getting involved in self isolation, maintaining adequate social distancing, etc., strict measures can be overlooked .... People work from home, major cities are only 30% busy, public transportation 50% down .... Though universities are closed down, a gathering of more than 50 people not allowed, sporting events banned, and so on as these measures have to be taken Comparing regions with warm climate as in India - South America, Asean, Africa, South Asia or even Texas , California etc. the hospital infra. has not been overrun anywhere except maybe Ecuador (it's capital Quito is also cold). The need for lockdown must be constantly evaluated and evidence based approach must be taken. Because lockdowns themselves have enormous costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosingh Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, zen said: Where citizens act responsibly by getting involved in self isolation, maintaining adequate social distancing, etc., strict measures can be overlooked .... People work from home, major cities are only 30% busy, public transportation 50% down .... Though universities are closed down, a gathering of more than 50 people not allowed, sporting events banned, and so on as these measures have to be taken And Swedes are the most socially distant people on the planet even in the best of times. 47% of Swedish households have just one occupant. Sweden is really the loner capital of the world. randomGuy, zen, someone and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 We know what happened with the herd immunity experiment in the UK.. Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: We know what happened with the herd immunity experiment in the UK.. A much better comparison would be our neighbour Pakistan due to the similar climate and similar people. We should be keeping an eye on covid19 situation over there. If they are able to do well without lock down, then we should be ok too. Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, randomGuy said: A much better comparison would be our neighbour Pakistan due to the similar climate and similar people. We should be keeping an eye on covid19 situation over there. If they are able to do well without lock down, then we should be ok too. Do you think Pakistan will report properly? Pakistan doesn't have the infrastructure nor the resources to enforce a lockdown. Not do the people obey the rules, not even upto India's level. Temperature might be on our side, but unless it is proved decision cannot be taken (based on hunches).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, kosingh said: And Swedes are the most socially distant people on the planet even in the best of times. 47% of Swedish households have just one occupant. Sweden is really the loner capital of the world. Yeah! And its population density is less than 25 per sq km .... Compare that with Italy down south, which has a density of over 200 per sq km Edited April 22, 2020 by zen beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: Do you think Pakistan will report properly? Pakistan doesn't have the infrastructure nor the resources to enforce a lockdown. Not do the people obey the rules, not even upto India's level. Temperature might be on our side, but unless it is proved decision cannot be taken (based on hunches).. Nobody knows. cost-benefit analysis of lock down approach versus no-lockdown approach can't be done. India would be having it's intelligence network inside Pakistan to catch the true picture over there. This is in case Pakistan hides the true picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Sweden - 1500 cases per million India - 15 cases per million. Herd immunity kuch bhi. https://coronavirus.app/map Edited April 22, 2020 by MechEng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, MechEng said: Sweden - 1500 cases per million India - 15 cases per million. Herd immunity kuch bhi. https://coronavirus.app/map Don't rely on reported numbers. Actual exposures and people with immunity could be orders of magnitude higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, randomGuy said: Don't rely on reported numbers. Actual exposures and people with immunity could be orders of magnitude higher. Yaar, we have a very different mindset compared to gora countries. Western nations have more discipline than us but they value liberty and individualism way too much that lockdowns are seen as an attack to their freedom. Aise time pe experiments nahin karna chahiye, chup chaap ghar mein rahe sab. beetle and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Wait for Dharawi results. It will give us a measure of where India stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosingh Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, mishra said: Wait for Dharawi results. It will give us a measure of where India stands Dharawi can tell us not only about where India stands, but it will help the world better understand other questions such as the true CFR of Covid. mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 6 hours ago, randomGuy said: Nobody knows. cost-benefit analysis of lock down approach versus no-lockdown approach can't be done. India would be having it's intelligence network inside Pakistan to catch the true picture over there. This is in case Pakistan hides the true picture. There will be easing out district-wise in green and yellow zones after May 3rd...beyond that we can't take a risk..let's see. Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said: There will be easing out district-wise in green and yellow zones after May 3rd...beyond that we can't take a risk..let's see. Till then if we get a firm input that Pakistan is doing well without lockdown and countries like Sweden approaching herd immunity, we should end lockdown right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 @mishra @beetle @zen @rkt.india @Singh bling @Alam_dar @kosingh @MechEng @Autonomous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, randomGuy said: @mishra @beetle @zen @rkt.india @Singh bling @Alam_dar @kosingh @MechEng @Autonomous Sounds like bullshit. Think about you carrying the virus and giving it to your old man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Autonomous said: Sounds like bullshit. Think about you carrying the virus and giving it to your old man? If we are young, you and me getting the virus should be seen as inevitable. Our fatality chances from the virus would be 0.01% or 0.0001%, I don't know...there is good chance we won't even know when we got it and became immune already. During the time the herd (country) acquires immunity, the herd would need to take care of its old (keep them segregated as much as possible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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