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India squad of 15 for Champions Trophy '17-Probables

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sandeep Grand Master

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

How come Pandya is not even finishing his 4 overs for MI, if his bowling has slipped then there is no point in selecting him for CT.

T20 bowling is executed based on matchups - its not like they are bowling Pollard more than him.   His bowling numbers are quite decent.  MI has the luxury of not bowling him all the time because their front-line pacers and spin options are doing really well.   

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sandeep Grand Master

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3 hours ago, Sidhoni said:

Viru picked this team on Star Sports show :

 

Top order :

Rohit

Kohli

Rahane

Pant

 

Middle order :

Yuvi

Dhoni

Jadhav

Pandya

 

Spinners :

Ashwin

Jadeja

Chahal

 

Pacers :

Bhuvi

Bumrah

Shami

Yadav

 

No place for Pandey and Dhawan

Decent squad.  Interesting that he picks Chahal ahead of Mishra as a leggie -and even ahead of ICF's current favorite young spinner who is almost guaranteed to win us games overseas - supposedly.

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putrevus Grand Master

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4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

T20 bowling is executed based on matchups - its not like they are bowling Pollard more than him.   His bowling numbers are quite decent.  MI has the luxury of not bowling him all the time because their front-line pacers and spin options are doing really well.   

Bumrah is bowling his 4 overs right? If this guy is projected to play for India as an all rounder in test matches also, I am sorry he needs to be at least on par with Bumrah bowling wise.

 

His batting is not even close to be test class/international class so if he stinks in bowling then why should they select him.We do not need any more Stuart Binnys.

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sandeep Grand Master

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Bumrah is bowling his 4 overs right? If this guy is projected to play for India as an all rounder in test matches also, I am sorry he needs to be at least on par with Bumrah bowling wise.

 

His batting is not even close to be test class/international class so if he stinks in bowling then why should they select him.We do not need any more Stuart Binnys.

Have you watched him bowl?  Stats are not a big enough sample set this season yet, but look at his numbers as well.   Pandya is no Bumrah, but then he's no Binny either.   Don't jump to conclusions, especially wrong ones.  

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putrevus Grand Master

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35 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Have you watched him bowl?  Stats are not a big enough sample set this season yet, but look at his numbers as well.   Pandya is no Bumrah, but then he's no Binny either.   Don't jump to conclusions, especially wrong ones.  

Nobody is jumping to any conclusions, but if he was any good he should be among leading  bowlers for Mumbai Indians. It looks like his brother is batting ahead of him also.So on what basis should they select him.

 

Stokes is showing what a good all rounder should be, where does this guy stand then.

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sandeep Grand Master

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Nobody is jumping to any conclusions, but if he was any good he should be among leading  bowler for Mumbai Indians. It looks like his brother is batting ahead of him also.So on what basis should they select him.

 

Stokes is showing what a good all rounder should be, where does this guy stand then.

T20 strategies are not the same as ODI strategies.  Krunal is a left-hander and is situationally promoted ahead of his brother, plus he's more likely to succeed against spin instead of pace.  Hardik is a proven slugger against pace, so MI are using him after the 16th over.  They also consider him experienced enough to come that much later and still be capable of finishing.   

 

Fair point, that he is not being used as the team centerpiece, like the Goenka gadhas are using Stokes - but the Bombay team arguably has a more solid middle order - Rohit Sharma and Pollard >>> Manoj Tiwary, or even MS at this stage in his career.   Hardik is never going to be front-line bowler for a team that has quality bowlers, but he's ideally suited to be thta 3rd or 4th option.   People keep thinking of him as a bowler who can bat.  He's the other way around.  

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putrevus Grand Master

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58 minutes ago, sandeep said:

T20 strategies are not the same as ODI strategies.  Krunal is a left-hander and is situationally promoted ahead of his brother, plus he's more likely to succeed against spin instead of pace.  Hardik is a proven slugger against pace, so MI are using him after the 16th over.  They also consider him experienced enough to come that much later and still be capable of finishing.   

 

Fair point, that he is not being used as the team centerpiece, like the Goenka gadhas are using Stokes - but the Bombay team arguably has a more solid middle order - Rohit Sharma and Pollard >>> Manoj Tiwary, or even MS at this stage in his career.   Hardik is never going to be front-line bowler for a team that has quality bowlers, but he's ideally suited to be thta 3rd or 4th option.   People keep thinking of him as a bowler who can bat.  He's the other way around.  

I always believe if you are talented you force captain to use you more in  critical situations. As a player you hope to get a chance and Pandya has got enough chances to show case his talent.If he is an non entity with MI what good will he be playing for India.

 

You need to have some specific talent to be selected for Indian team.Other than him being so called fast bowling all rounder I have not seen anything good from him either with bat or ball.

 

I do not think he is batting all rounder , his batting is not good enough on any level.

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PSB_Zone Explorer

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It seems that Bcci will send second string side to the champions trophy.
Stars & experienced  like virat/rohit/dhoni/uv/ash/jadega/umesh might not be selceted

Well in that case..

dhawan/Rahne/Kartik/Manish/samson/Jadhav/hardik/kuldeep/chahal/bhuvi/bumrah

shreyas/pant/shami/thampi

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vishalvirsingh Mentor

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7 hours ago, PSB_Zone said:

It seems that Bcci will send second string side to the champions trophy.
Stars & experienced  like virat/rohit/dhoni/uv/ash/jadega/umesh might not be selceted

Well in that case..

dhawan/Rahne/Kartik/Manish/samson/Jadhav/hardik/kuldeep/chahal/bhuvi/bumrah

shreyas/pant/shami/thampi

Where did you read this news...or is it gossips

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King Tendulkar Newbie

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We have to be very careful in our selection basing things so much on ipl. It's a short tournament and people may do well for a few games. Does not mean wil do well at international level 

 

not saying not good to see players and take a view . But fc cricket and other games just as important to evaluate 

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Nikhil_cric Grand Master

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I don't understand this new found faith in Yuvraj. He's finished. Post 2011 World Cup, he's not done anything meaningful and he's been poor against quality pace for a long time. Singlehandedly cost us the World T20 3 years ago as well. Folks are just rating him based on that ton against English trundlers but he will be exposed brutally by the likes of Hazlewood/Starc/Cummins/Rabada/Morkel/Milne/Boult etc. Not very good against quality spin either.

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1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I don't understand this new found faith in Yuvraj. He's finished. Post 2011 World Cup, he's not done anything meaningful and he's been poor against quality pace for a long time. Singlehandedly cost us the World T20 3 years ago as well. Folks are just rating him based on that ton against English trundlers but he will be exposed brutally by the likes of Hazlewood/Starc/Cummins/Rabada/Morkel/Milne/Boult etc. Not very good against quality spin either.

Didn't he just spank Rabada (one of the quickest bowlers in the world) the other day?

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Sidhoni Newbie

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Now that squad will finally be picked tomorrow, this is what I'd like :

 

Dhawan

Pant

Kohli (c)

Dhoni (wk)

Yuvraj

Jadhav

Pandya/Ashwin (depending on conditions)

Jadeja

Bhuvi

Shami

Bumrah

 

Reserves : 

Rohit/Pandey/Raina : Any two

Ashwin/Pandya

Umesh

 

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