mishra Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 ^ War is not a choice. It is necessity as every individual wants more than what it got. This feeling translates into national interest and security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 2/19/2022 at 5:35 AM, MultiB48 said: The Indian state hasn't designated China as an enemy nation,so the ones who do could be called unpatriotic. Who calls china as enemy? Diplomatic language is never binary . There are a lot of decimal point numbers between 0 and 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 47 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: If the Indian state won't declare China as it's enemy,then don't point fingers at her citizens for the same. Most Indian citizens do not lack basic common sense. If they lacked, pro China Rahul Gandhi would have been PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 My two cents. My estimate right before US election was that Biden is weak President. What you see now is under Biden, we have weaker India, weaker EU , US Tech MNCs not decisively forced , not to further invest in China( example Tesla). US has lost face (Afghanistan and Ukraine). No county will ever give up its quest to nuclear weapons and world will become more dangerous place. PS: Reason why India is not coming outrightly pro US in UN is because of its reliance on Russians for its own security. US has not penned single deal with India post Trump which can allay its security fears. Basically Even today, Its Russia which is reliable partner to India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Common sense is subjective. It ain't illegal being pro China ,so let's not use it as a pejorative. Some Indian did vote for RaGa too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 These goras instead of fighting Russia fighting India on twitter.. F** evangelists. Good to see India screwing up the west. That's what they get for anti India rhetoric since forever. https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1495951592650125313?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1495951592650125313|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: These goras instead of fighting Russia fighting India on twitter.. F** evangelists. Good to see India screwing up the west. That's what they get for anti India rhetoric since forever. https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1495951592650125313?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1495951592650125313|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url= Let us be honest, India has very little leverage over Russia. Not even close to what China has. Infact it is Russia that has leverage over India. So much so that even if we "stay neutral" or " side with Russia" ......if it comes to picking India vs. China - Russia will NOT side with India because of what it gains from China. The West is to be blamed for focussing on the wrong enemy. China is 10 times a threat to the global order than Russia can be currently. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 34 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Let us be honest, India has very little leverage over Russia. Not even close to what China has. Infact it is Russia that has leverage over India. So much so that even if we "stay neutral" or " side with Russia" ......if it comes to picking India vs. China - Russia will NOT side with India because of what it gains from China. The West is to be blamed for focussing on the wrong enemy. China is 10 times a threat to the global order than Russia can be currently. Yes eventually that is the endgame. Putin did visit India few weeks earlier & I bet some sort of deal has happened. I don't know what India got in return. Maybe the 190 MW OK-650B/M naval nuclear reactor for the submarines? Or Putin have obtained assurances from Xi that PLA won't up the ante against India. Maybe the real target is Taiwan? Whatever it is, it was enough for Modi and S Jaishankar to not toe the western line and refrain from condemning the Ukraine invasion at a time when there is a similar stand-off with PLA in Tibet and West, Quad and India are aligning, atleast superficially on Indo Pacific. Anyway US and West can never be trusted. There is nothing important that India get except from some alphabetical soup agreements. India's line goes with that S Jaishankar said about our foreign policy now - India's strategic needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rising Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Yes eventually that is the endgame. Putin did visit India few weeks earlier & I bet some sort of deal has happened. I don't know what India got in return. Maybe the 190 MW OK-650B/M naval nuclear reactor for the submarines? Or Putin have obtained assurances from Xi that PLA won't up the ante against India. Maybe the real target is Taiwan? Whatever it is, it was enough for Modi and S Jaishankar to not toe the western line and refrain from condemning the Ukraine invasion at a time when there is a similar stand-off with PLA in Tibet and West, Quad and India are aligning, atleast superficially on Indo Pacific. Anyway US and West can never be trusted. There is nothing important that India get except from some alphabetical soup agreements. India's line goes with that S Jaishankar said about our foreign policy now - India's strategic needs. I dont think much to with Russia apart from us being dependent on Russia for weapons. I think this more to do with us not trusting US and being pawn for US in the China conflict, they are both evil and also USA leaving us high and dry in Afghanistan were we invested a lot. And if you see USA already trying poltical influence countries by potraying China as the enemy like 500 million grant by USA to Nepal or Taiwan being made buy eggs from a producer near Fukushima Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, rising said: I dont think much to with Russia apart from us being dependent on Russia for weapons. I think this more to do with us not trusting US and being pawn for US in the China conflict, they are both evil and also USA leaving us high and dry in Afghanistan were we invested a lot. And if you see USA already trying poltical influence countries by potraying China as the enemy like 500 million grant by USA to Nepal or Taiwan being made buy eggs from a producer near Fukushima US is obviously biggest evil of them all... The kind of pushing they are giving evangelists in India now is unheard of. Never mind the Pakistan connection. The kind of anti India rhetoric west has pushed for sometime had this coming. No wonder western woke liberals are crying & having a meltdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: US is obviously biggest evil of them all... The kind of pushing they are giving evangelists in India now is unheard of. Never mind the Pakistan connection. The kind of anti India rhetoric west has pushed for sometime had this coming. No wonder western woke liberals are crying & having a meltdown Strange world we live in: Evangelists love Trump who loves Putin who both (purportedly) are friends of India, standing to reason that Evangelists must love India, but actually they hate India. Evangelists also hate Biden who (purportedly) hates India, standing to reason that Evangelists must again love India, but actually they hate India. Not only that, Biden supposedly loves the Evangelists now but they actually hate him. In Tamizh there's a saying - VaNNaanukku VaNNatthi mela asai, VaNNatthikku KaL(zh)uda mela asai (Dhoni loves Dhonini, Dhonini loves the donkey). Edited February 24, 2022 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 So war it is ... I wonder how far this will escalate. Hopefully, things settle down quickly. I appreciate the Indian EAM's position on this conflict. We have nothing to gain by supporting Europe unconditionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Only a matter of time before Xi Jinping feels an irresistible itch to do something really stupid ---- that will backfire in a spectacular way. Will it be against Taiwan ? Or will it be at our Himalayan frontier ? Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Cruise missiles landing in Ukraine Imminent preparation for ground invasion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Only a matter of time before Xi Jinping feels an irresistible itch to do something really stupid ---- that will backfire in a spectacular way. Will it be against Taiwan ? Or will it be at our Himalayan frontier ? I think Taiwan would be a more important win for him. The Chinese ppl would consider that a more important induction to their territory and would get behind Xi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuarantineTormentino Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Wtf Russia declared war on Ukraine!! What the hell is going on?? Is it a non-nuclear war? What’s are the wider ramifications for the rest of the world? Can some intelligent person please explain?? Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Taiwan ops will lead to a physical confrontation with US/NATO, especially now. Cold day in hell before an American president sits quietly while Russia & China flex their muscles at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Only a matter of time before Xi Jinping feels an irresistible itch to do something really stupid ---- that will backfire in a spectacular way. Will it be against Taiwan ? Or will it be at our Himalayan frontier ? Let's hope he doesn't get the idea to grab 'south tibet' anytime soon. India is not in a position to put up an appropriate defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dery Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I hadn't imagined two white Christian countries would engage in a war in my lifetime. Lets see what this leads to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rising Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 46 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Only a matter of time before Xi Jinping feels an irresistible itch to do something really stupid ---- that will backfire in a spectacular way. Will it be against Taiwan ? Or will it be at our Himalayan frontier ? If they try it most likely Taiwan unless in India aligns itself with west against Russia leaving itself vulnerable. But you can never rule China from Chipping out small portions from India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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