express bowling Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I see that Shami has bowled 30 overs in 4 sessions in his 2nd Ranji match of the season. I think he bowled 23 overs in a day in the first match. This is too much workload for an injury-prone pacer. He is being rested in ODIs to manage his workload ..... but is being bowled to the ground by his Ranji captain. This is a serious issue and demands a separate thread. A fit Shami is very important for our success in SA. The BCCI should see to it that his workload is managed in the Ranji Trophy. Mosher, sourab10forever, AuxiliA and 4 others 7 Link to comment
tweaker Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Bcci does not care for such things.They are playing main players in all the home odi T20 series. Link to comment
beetle Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Poor guy probably doesn't even have a say in it. He can't say no to the state selectors without bcci backing. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, tweaker said: They are playing main players in all the home odi T20 series. Another important issue, especially for all-format players like Kohli and Pandya. Link to comment
tweaker Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, express bowling said: Another important issue, especially for all-format players like Kohli and Pandya. Kohli is playing non stop every match.Dhawan,Rohit, Rahane had some rest in between but Kohli has played all the matches express bowling and beetle 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, tweaker said: Kohli is playing non stop every match.Dhawan,Rohit, Rahane had some rest in between but Kohli has played all the matches Kohli and Pandya need to be rested in all the T20Is this year Mosher and beetle 2 Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Shami needs to get match fit and is rightly being asked to play Ranjis. You cannot expect them to be wrapped in cotton wool, they are bowlers and they need match practise. SK_IH 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Shami takes care of himself. He is injured most of the times to reduce his workload. ;) Laaloo, tweaker, maniac and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 4 hours ago, putrevus said: Shami needs to get match fit and is rightly being asked to play Ranjis. You cannot expect them to be wrapped in cotton wool, they are bowlers and they need match practise. He should play Ranji matches and stay match fit But bowling 24 overs a day is not necessary Around 18 overs broken into 4 spells is what strike bowlers bowl Link to comment
maniac Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, express bowling said: He should play Ranji matches and stay match fit But bowling 24 overs a day is not necessary Around 18 overs broken into 4 spells is what strike bowlers bowl Problem is we tend to over manage...risk that when we need him the most in the South African series,he might be rusty..same goes for Umesh....Has Ishant played anything since his last test match? And on the other hand we have Bhuvi the next option who might be overworked.....next is Thakur etc and they are still raw. We need to get the balance right. Link to comment
Khota Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just like baseball play one game and not the next. that cuts down on injuries. Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, maniac said: Problem is we tend to over manage...risk that when we need him the most in the South African series,he might be rusty.. If Shami's workload is not being managed then my question is .... why is he not playing more ODIs, a format where he averages 24 and excels in Quote Has Ishant played anything since his last test match? Played 3 FC matches on the trot, 3rd one still going on Quote We need to get the balance right. Play the international pacers in FC but keep their overs per day within 20 A demarcation must be made between strike pacers and work horse pacers p.s - Do you remember maniac, how Srinath was over bowled as he was our only good pacer .... the same thing happens in FC. Edited October 16, 2017 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 This is the problem, he has been dropped so no doubt his confidence is shattered and in the process of getting it back he will grind himself in domestic. Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Shami is not playing in odis because two Bs are bowling really well.He and Yadav are expected to be main test bowlers .Yadav is a very fit and fine athlete. Shami has not been the same since England series which is over a year ago.He needs to get some over 18 or 24 it is not a big deal in my view. Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, putrevus said: Shami is not playing in odis because two Bs are bowling really well. Hardly being used as a backup ODI bowler even when no FC going on. One would assume it is due to work-load management. 4 minutes ago, putrevus said: .He needs to get some over 18 or 24 it is not a big deal in my view. Try bowling them and your view will change 18 overs a day means 4 standard spells ..... 5 + 5 + 5 + 3 or 5 + 4 + 5 +4 or something similar 24 overs a day mean 5 standard spells or 6 spells even .... it means very little resting time between spells and this often leads to injury Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 hours ago, express bowling said: Hardly being used as a backup ODI bowler even when no FC going on. One would assume it is due to work-load management. Try bowling them and your view will change 18 overs a day means 4 standard spells ..... 5 + 5 + 5 + 3 or 5 + 4 + 5 +4 or something similar 24 overs a day mean 5 standard spells or 6 spells even .... it means very little resting time between spells and this often leads to injury In overseas conditions bowling 24 overs in 4 bowler attack is not unheard off. It is like he is bowling 24 overs every day. Link to comment
Lala2790 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 India should take a look at how we develop our fast bowlers. Bowlers like Sharma look like Angus Fraser by the time they are 22 due to being bowled into the ground Link to comment
Ishantboyz Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 irfin pathan would have been a superstar if he hadnt been handled so poorly Lala2790 1 Link to comment
Lala2790 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ishantboyz said: irfin pathan would have been a superstar if he hadnt been handled so poorly Always believed Pathan could have been a good all rounder. He was a little like the great Wasim Ishantboyz 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, putrevus said: In overseas conditions bowling 24 overs in 4 bowler attack is not unheard off. It is like he is bowling 24 overs every day. Injury-prone pacers are advised not to do it. It is the precise reason why India and other teams are playing 5 bowlers these days .... so that average overs per day per bowler come down from 22.5 to 18... any extra bowling is done by the workhorse pacer and spinner. Edited October 17, 2017 by express bowling Link to comment
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