Virat Kohli v AB de Villiers - who is better ODI batsman?

[jusarrived]

how can a team with Gayle,AB and Kholi not win more games ? ..... Vinay Koomar? Legund

Cos the team has only these three players .

[Jersey #10]

bump Virat - Ghar mai sher bahar billi

[cowboysfan]

bump Virat - Ghar mai sher bahar billi

This seems unfair ,he has quite good stats outside SC.

[Jersey #10]

Of Virat's 17 100s, 4 have come outside the SC Hobart - vs Sri Lanka Harare - vs Zimbabwe Cardiff - vs England Port of Spain - vs West Indies Other good knocks outside SC Kingston 94 - vs West Indies Port Elizabeth 87 - vs South Africa Bulawayo 82 - vs Sri Lanka Port of Spain 81 - vs West Indies Johannesburg 79* - vs West Indies Brisbane 66 - vs Sri Lanka Chester le street 55 - vs England Durban 54 - vs South Africa I didn't realize how dominant he is against SL and WI until now. That's pretty good. Then he has bucket loads of runs in SC against everyone.

[fineleg]

Non-sc conditions, abdv is the prince. By 2015 wc this debate will be settled.

[Jersey #10]

If I filter Kohli vs England, New Zealand, Pakistan and South Africa outside of the subcontinent his average is a solid 34. This includes 1 100, three 50+, three 30+ scores.

[Jersey #10]

Forgot to mention - Kohli averages 45 outside of SC overall regardless of the oppostion. I only filtered those teams b/c it seemed like he was too dominant against SL and WI which may cause the average the skew a bit - which it does. ABDV averages 52 in SC overall. It's quite obvious that he has scored against all teams including the top SC teams. Averages in SC against to SC teams vs India - 76, 6 matches vs Pakistan - 45, 16 matches vs Sri Lanka - 31.83, 6 matches In Srilanka - 27 avg In India - 64 avg In Pakistan - 58 avg In UAE - 45 avg as of right now, I have to say that ABDV > Kohli

[Trichromatic]

Both have similar records. Kohli has 8700 runs in 199 matches at avg of 55 and AB has ~9500 runs in 224 ODIs at avg of 54.

 

AB is more explosive with his SR 10 points higher than Kohli's and recently he hit 100 ball 176 to reach top of ICC ODI rankings.

 

For years, AB dV and other SA batsmen have been regarded as chokers who can't handle pressure. This is one argument given in favor of Kohli. 

 

Another argument has been giving more weight to chases and regarding runs scored in first inning as less values when both innings matter equally for the team.

 

Kohli is probably best chaser in history of game. AB although is not close to Kohli, has been good too with avg of 58 in chases and 84 in successful. 

 

In first inning, Kohli averages 43 and is not better than many other peers of his generation. AB has been very good in this and has hit 18 hundreds at avg of 51.

 

When it comes to so called meaningful matches, it's now clear that Kohli is very different from Saffers. He is yet to score a 50 in any of finals he has played so far. On the other hand AB did score a quick half century against Aussies in only final he played.

 

Surely Kohli can't be better just on the basis of successful chases in "meanlingless bilaterals"?

 

 

[SK_IH]

When the going gets tough,AB gets run out 

[jf1gp_1]

If you are an indian then kohli, if sa or other 3 subcontinent teama then ABD, other can go either way. 

[jalebi_bhai]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Both have similar records. Kohli has 8700 runs in 199 matches at avg of 55 and AB has ~9500 runs in 224 ODIs at avg of 54.

 

AB is more explosive with his SR 10 points higher than Kohli's and recently he hit 100 ball 176 to reach top of ICC ODI rankings.

 

For years, AB dV and other SA batsmen have been regarded as chokers who can't handle pressure. This is one argument given in favor of Kohli. 

 

Another argument has been giving more weight to chases and regarding runs scored in first inning as less values when both innings matter equally for the team.

 

Kohli is probably best chaser in history of game. AB although is not close to Kohli, has been good too with avg of 58 in chases and 84 in successful. 

 

In first inning, Kohli averages 43 and is not better than many other peers of his generation. AB has been very good in this and has hit 18 hundreds at avg of 51.

 

When it comes to so called meaningful matches, it's now clear that Kohli is very different from Saffers. He is yet to score a 50 in any of finals he has played so far. On the other hand AB did score a quick half century against Aussies in only final he played.

 

Surely Kohli can't be better just on the basis of successful chases in "meanlingless bilaterals"?

 

 

Can you define what "meaningful bilaterals" and "meaningless bilaterals" are? 70% cricket that is played is basically bilateral cricket.

 

If you are disregarding bilateral cricket as being meaningless, then by your logic, Don Bradman's whole career was meaningless. 

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Can you define what "meaningful bilaterals" and "meaningless bilaterals" are? 70% cricket that is played is basically bilateral cricket.

 

If you are disregarding bilateral cricket as being meaningless, then by your logic, Don Bradman's whole career was meaningless. 

no bilateral is meaningless. Every game affects your ranking as a batsman, a bowler, or a team.  

[jalebi_bhai]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

no bilateral is meaningless. Every game affects your ranking as a batsman, a bowler, or a team.  

Yes. Team rankings are important as they determine whether you'll qualify for the WC directly or through qualifiers in LOIs and in Tests, it's all about the rankings.

 

I still want to know what @Trichromatic means by "meaningless bilaterals". He uses it as a criterion for his analysis. 

[Nonbeliever]

Abd

[Vijy]

ABDV is more talented, has more gears, and is more of an all-conditions player. thus, on skills, he is better than VK. However, as a matchwinner esp. when chasing VK is more capable.

[Vijy]

7 minutes ago, Prince_ said:

Abdv is miles ahead of kohli from every single position. As far as natural ability, technique and versatility are concerned, ABDV wipes the floor with KOHLI. Kohli looks good only on flat roads whereas ABDV bat's like a champion regardless of pitches and conditions. No comparison. 

and like messi, he will retire without a wc win to his name.

[Rasgulla]

11 minutes ago, Vijy said:

and like messi, he will retire without a wc win to his name.

Even Ronaldo(not fat one) doesn't have a WC. He has CT(European trophy) to his name  and greizmann(france) is man of the Tournament

Edited October 25, 2017 by Rasgulla

[Rasgulla]

10 minutes ago, Vijy said:

and like messi, he will retire without a wc win to his name.

Messi's Argentina atleast were in Finals last WC and Messi is player of the tournament. I doubt Ronaldo's portugal will ever reach finals in WC.

Edited October 25, 2017 by Rasgulla

[Vijy]

On 10/25/2017 at 6:25 PM, Rasgulla said:

Even Ronaldo(not fat one) doesn't have a WC. He has CT(European trophy) to his name  and greizmann(france) is man of the Tournament

fat ron played a major role in brazil's win in 2002. It remains to be seen whether ABDV will be the fat or the lean ronnie.