Sachin Tendulkar v Virat Kohli - who is better ODI batsman?

[Stan AF]

Great numbers

 

Kohli is setting himself up for some huge expectations. These 100s won't matter for much if india don't win the WC. And people will be throwing at his face just like how they were throwing it at Tendulkar over the years.

[Real McCoy]

Also, the talk during that time was Sachin will score one test century and people will talk about it and ignore our dismal away performances. Almost every time he scored a test ton abroad, we lost. But when Dravid entered the picture, he scored a century in Johannesburg in 1996 after playing a lot of balls and we were almost winning that match. That was until rain played spoil sport and Cullinan stepped in to scored a century to draw it. But enough about tests. ODI - Kohli wins easily over Sachin

[Rasgulla]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

what are you talking?? Kohli is far greater odi player because he averages 60 vs 44 and he scores 100s with ridiculous ease.

 

Sachin the test player was very good, his peak average was 59 which Kohli is yet to reach.I will take Kohli over Sachin in tests too but he cannot go down as better test player if he quits today.Odis it is a different story Sachin is no match to Kohli.

 

People come up with all nonsensical theories on how Sachin faced better attacks or played on more bowler friendly tracks in odis , that is all nonsense, Kohli has done more on spicy pitches than Sachin ever could do in odis.

 

Only thing left for Kohli is having a big world cup.

Dude you are the one who said, you ll pick sachin in tests because he has more 100s in Tests and has peak average. Wtf was that...  babam Azam guy once had 90 average when he scored 3 100s against WI in a row. Peak average doesn't mean rats ass. 

[Rasgulla]

3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Also, the talk during that time was Sachin will score one test century and people will talk about it and ignore our dismal away performances. Almost every time he scored a test ton abroad, we lost. But when Dravid entered the picture, he scored a century in Johannesburg in 1996 after playing a lot of balls and we were almost winning that match. That was until rain played spoil sport and Cullinan stepped in to scored a century to draw it. But enough about tests. ODI - Kohli wins easily over Sachin

We haven't won single match overseas with so called peak sachin in 90s. Got to be the biggest fraud. 

[Real McCoy]

@R!TTER If you want to go by stats, then Mike Hussey and MSD are better than Sachin . Let's not go there. Already some Sachin fans are hiding after today's performances by Kohli and Dhoni. Kohli is a better pressure player than Sachin. Everyone praises Sachin for his 98 against Pak in WC 2003 but no one talks about UV's 50 and Dravid's 40 in the same match without which we would have lost that game.

Edited January 15, 2019 by Real McCoy

[putrevus]

Run Rates exploded in 90s and 2000s compared to 80s but Sachin was considered better player than all those 80s players because he was better than them. Kohli is better than Sachin and it has got nothing to do with exploding run rates, it is all about Kohli and his style of batting which so far superior to Sachin, it is silly to put them in same sentence.

 

ABDV is close but him having high average is not surprise because he bats lower down the order.Dhoni averages more than Sachin but even Dhoni knows his average is higher becuase he he bats at no5/6.

Edited January 15, 2019 by putrevus

[Rasgulla]

17 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

@R!TTER If you want to go by stats, then Mike Hussey and MSD are better than Sachin . Let's not go there. Already some Sachin fans are hiding after today's performances by Kohli and Dhoni. Kohli is a better pressure player than Sachin. Everyone praises Sachin for his 98 against Pak in WC 2003 but no one talks about UV's 50 and Dravid's 40 in the same match without which we would have lost that game.

 

someone find @speedheat

[R!TTER]

35 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

@R!TTER If you want to go by stats, then Mike Hussey and MSD are better than Sachin . Let's not go there. Already some Sachin fans are hiding after today's performances by Kohli and Dhoni. Kohli is a better pressure player than Sachin. Everyone praises Sachin for his 98 against Pak in WC 2003 but no one talks about UV's 50 and Dravid's 40 in the same match without which we would have lost that game.

Those stats include large no. of NO - so no going by the stats it doesn't prove your point given their avg is just about 2 or 3 above SRT. And you keep going with the inane argument about who is better than whoever, purely based on avg, however the fact remains batting has become much easier after the 2 new balls!

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli (INDIA)	2013-2019	105	102	21	5764	160*	71.16	5856	98.42	24	24	5	531	83
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2013-2019	93	92	13	5072	264	64.20	5204	97.46	20	19	4	471	181
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2013-2019	85	82	19	3959	181*	62.84	4676	84.66	13	21	2	329	39
AB de Villiers (SA)	2013-2018	80	76	16	3760	176	62.66	3217	116.87	11	19	1	306	109
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2013-2015	50	49	5	2436	128	55.36	2652	91.85	9	14	3	251	21
F du Plessis (SA)	2013-2018	82	79	10	3726	185	54.00	4209	88.52	10	23	3	328	45
JE Root (ENG)	2014-2018	101	96	16	4320	133*	54.00	4960	87.09	13	25	3	341	36
DA Warner (AUS)	2014-2018	67	66	4	3210	179	51.77	3092	103.81	12	11	1	340	57
Babar Azam (PAK)	2015-2018	54	52	8	2267	125*	51.52	2674	84.77	8	9	2	180	22
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	2013-2018	64	62	7	2811	132	51.10	3625	77.54	7	20	4	295	33
KS Williamson (NZ)	2013-2019	87	85	5	4049	123	50.61	4755	85.15	8	29	1	386	36
AD Mathews (SL)	2013-2018	98	89	23	3332	139*	50.48	3959	84.16	2	22	4	278	58
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	2013-2018	79	75	12	3020	144	47.93	3417	88.38	5	21	1	245	48
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2013-2019	108	83	22	2921	139*	47.88	3379	86.44	2	21	2	222	67
SPD Smith (AUS)	2014-2018	75	72	8	3051	164	47.67	3535	86.30	8	19	3	262	28
Q de Kock (SA)	2013-2018	91	91	5	4001	178	46.52	4211	95.01	13	17	2	455	57
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2013-2019	87	86	8	3574	237*	45.82	3991	89.55	10	17	7	371	103
HM Amla (SA)	2013-2018	93	93	5	4021	159	45.69	4588	87.64	15	15	2	418	34
TM Dilshan (SL)	2013-2016	63	61	3	2647	161*	45.63	3062	86.44	5	17	2	321	9
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2013-2019	98	97	5	4191	137	45.55	4384	95.59	12	22	3	538	53
JC Buttler (ENG)	2014-2018	103	87	19	2878	129	42.32	2479	116.09	6	16	8	248	82
DA Miller (SA)	2013-2018	83	74	20	2162	139	40.03	2121	101.93	5	7	5	166	61
Mohammad Hafeez (PAK)	2013-2018	74	73	7	2626	140*	39.78	3195	82.19	5	16	5	244	57
AJ Finch (AUS)	2013-2019	86	83	1	3106	135	37.87	3508	88.54	10	18	7	316	68
JJ Roy (ENG)	2015-2018	70	69	2	2536	180	37.85	2433	104.23	6	12	7	299	42
EJG Morgan (ENG)	2014-2018	105	98	8	3392	121	37.68	3671	92.39	6	22	8	286	105
AM Rahane (INDIA)	2013-2018	73	70	3	2508	111	37.43	3145	79.74	3	21	3	248	29
AD Hales (ENG)	2014-2018	67	65	3	2314	171	37.32	2419	95.65	6	13	5	264	48
Sikandar Raza (ZIM)	2014-2018	80	77	13	2298	141	35.90	2783	82.57	3	12	1	197	52
TWM Latham (NZ)	2013-2018	69	66	7	2065	137	35.00	2473	83.50	4	12	6	186	25
JP Duminy (SA)	2013-2018	88	79	18	2057	115*	33.72	2430	84.65	1	11	1	150	34
LD Chandimal (SL)	2013-2019	80	73	11	2074	102	33.45	2771	74.84	2	13	4	129	20
GJ Maxwell (AUS)	2013-2019	76	67	5	2038	102	32.87	1669	122.10	1	14	7	205	63
MDKJ Perera (SL)	2013-2019	71	69	2	2051	135	30.61	2216	92.55	4	10	7	218	44
H Masakadza (ZIM)	2014-2018	75	74	0	2175	111	29.39	2942	73.92	2	14	2	236	40

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AB de Villiers (SA)	2008-2013	89	84	17	3921	134	58.52	4066	96.43	11	23	1	318	58
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2008-2013	130	114	36	4520	124	57.94	5349	84.50	5	31	2	328	76
HM Amla (SA)	2008-2013	76	73	6	3675	150	54.85	4030	91.19	11	21	2	367	18
IJL Trott (ENG)	2009-2013	68	65	10	2819	137	51.25	3658	77.06	4	22	5	216	3
V Kohli (INDIA)	2008-2013	113	108	16	4575	183	49.72	5280	86.64	15	24	7	436	30
Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK)	2008-2013	106	96	26	3395	96*	48.50	4633	73.27	0	29	3	228	49
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	2008-2012	56	55	4	2464	200*	48.31	2698	91.32	8	9	1	269	26
JH Kallis (SA)	2008-2012	52	52	6	2184	121*	47.47	2645	82.57	2	21	1	181	23
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2008-2013	146	139	13	5781	169	45.88	7247	79.77	10	38	5	540	40
MJ Clarke (AUS)	2008-2013	110	105	18	3975	117	45.68	5273	75.38	5	29	3	306	24
MEK Hussey (AUS)	2008-2012	110	102	21	3607	108	44.53	4206	85.75	1	29	1	230	43
JP Duminy (SA)	2008-2013	84	77	18	2617	150*	44.35	3062	85.46	3	15	3	159	38
SR Watson (AUS)	2008-2013	100	97	6	4018	185*	44.15	4361	92.13	8	22	6	418	93
V Sehwag (INDIA)	2008-2013	73	72	2	3042	219	43.45	2530	120.23	7	13	3	414	62
TM Dilshan (SL)	2008-2013	136	131	14	5063	160*	43.27	5621	90.07	16	20	6	579	34
G Gambhir (INDIA)	2008-2013	110	106	8	4195	150*	42.80	4756	88.20	9	28	8	430	13
EJG Morgan (ENG/IRE)	2008-2013	89	83	20	2616	124*	41.52	2872	91.08	4	16	3	219	53
AN Cook (ENG)	2008-2013	56	56	3	2198	137	41.47	2720	80.80	4	17	4	252	8
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2008-2013	92	83	11	2903	131*	40.31	3574	81.22	5	20	3	220	80
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2009-2013	75	73	9	2555	189*	39.92	3086	82.79	4	17	6	254	50
SK Raina (INDIA)	2008-2013	138	122	27	3693	116*	38.87	3855	95.79	3	26	8	304	85
Umar Akmal (PAK)	2009-2013	76	67	11	2176	102*	38.85	2538	85.73	1	17	5	179	35
BRM Taylor (ZIM)	2008-2013	76	76	8	2624	145*	38.58	3252	80.68	6	16	10	210	35
Yuvraj Singh (INDIA)	2008-2013	87	83	12	2638	138*	37.15	2934	89.91	5	16	6	279	64
IR Bell (ENG)	2008-2013	76	74	7	2468	126	36.83	3182	77.56	2	14	3	243	18
GC Smith (SA)	2008-2013	68	67	3	2323	141	36.29	2909	79.85	4	15	0	248	17
BB McCullum (NZ)	2008-2013	95	89	7	2933	166	35.76	3142	93.34	4	16	6	273	96
Mohammad Hafeez (PAK)	2010-2013	81	81	6	2653	139*	35.37	3445	77.01	6	14	7	279	34
WU Tharanga (SL)	2008-2013	106	101	9	3233	174*	35.14	4338	74.52	7	19	11	367	23
RT Ponting (AUS)	2008-2012	87	86	4	2869	126	34.98	3618	79.29	5	19	4	281	27
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH)	2008-2013	92	88	10	2720	108	34.87	3259	83.46	4	20	3	233	22
CH Gayle (WI)	2008-2013	78	77	5	2499	135	34.70	2599	96.15	6	11	5	254	106
DPMD Jayawardene (SL)	2008-2013	143	134	12	4122	144	33.78	5064	81.39	6	28	7	370	25
KP Pietersen (ENG)	2008-2013	70	65	4	2051	130	33.62	2422	84.68	4	8	4	203	32
AD Mathews (SL)	2008-2013	105	84	23	2048	80*	33.57	2492	82.18	0	15	9	143	26
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2008-2013	98	94	18	2497	114	32.85	3309	75.46	2	17	8	193	28
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	2008-2013	101	101	1	3184	154	31.84	3901	81.62	4	21	12	357	41
Younis Khan (PAK)	2008-2013	93	88	5	2601	123*	31.33	3374	77.08	3	19	8	213	13
H Masakadza (ZIM)	2008-2013	83	83	2	2510	178*	30.98	3241	77.44	3	14	8	257	40
Shahid Afridi (PAK)	2008-2013	113	98	10	2121	124	24.10	1658	127.92	2	7	8	176	80

 

 

Just to be clear, I've picked Oct 2013 because it coincided with change in PP & having an extra fielder inside. There was another rule change in Oct 2015 but 5 players after first 10 has not been reinstated for the middle overs, though batting PP with 3 fielders is also gone now.

Edited January 15, 2019 by R!TTER

[putrevus]

29 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Dude you are the one who said, you ll pick sachin in tests because he has more 100s in Tests and has peak average. Wtf was that...  babam Azam guy once had 90 average when he scored 3 100s against WI in a row. Peak average doesn't mean rats ass. 

I never said I pick Sachin tests, all I said was Kohli has ways to go to surpass Sachin in tests. Kohli renaissance in tests started in 2013-14.

Peak average after small sample size like Azam and Peak average of 59 after 100 tests there is a lot of difference.

[velu]

16 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Those stats include large no. of NO - so no going by the stats it doesn't prove your point given their avg is just about 2 or 3 above SRT. And you keep going with the inane argument about who is better than whoever, purely based on avg, however the fact remains batting has become much easier after the 2 new balls!

 

 

you cant discredit not out stats .. we all know kohli wont throw his wicket easily 

average of 60 vs average of 45 .. clear gulf 

[R!TTER]

6 minutes ago, velu said:

 

you cant discredit not out stats .. we all know kohli wont throw his wicket easily 

average of 60 vs average of 45 .. clear gulf 

He is a better finisher for sure but that's a function of him coming at one down. The same reason why Bevan is the only batter avg above 50 in the 90's except he wasn't the best LO batter in that decade either. Kohli still has ordinary stats in WC, he needs to rectify that especially KO games.

Edited January 15, 2019 by R!TTER

[R!TTER]

Keep your childish rants to yourself & stop quoting me unless you understand what's been talked about!

[R!TTER]

Blah blah blah, the number of attention seeking users here is 

[velu]

8 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

He is a better finisher for sure but that's a function of him coming at one down. The same reason why Bevan is the only batter avg above 50 in the 90's except he wasn't the best LO batter in that decade either. Kohli still has ordinary stats in WC, he needs to rectify that especially KO games.

 

if we compare the relative averages of the players opening vs players coming at one down , kohli is way ahead of sachin ..

its not that kohli is battting at 5 or 6 .. 

 

even for the lower middle order batsmen , very very few people have higher average like bevan and dhoni .. 

 

[Yoda-esque]

Virat is more fearless and backs his ability

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[R!TTER]

Just now, velu said:

 

if we compare the relative averages of the players opening vs players coming at one down , kohli is way ahead of sachin ..

its not that kohli is battting at 5 or 6 .. 

 

even for the lower middle order batsmen , very very few people have higher average like bevan and dhoni .. 

 

And you know why that is, same reason why openers in test cricket avg less than players @3 or below. It isn't rocket science, the new ball is still the most potent weapon against any batter, especially when he's new at the crease.

 

Well there's AB who's avg above 60 & striking close to 120 in the last few years, so there's that.

[velu]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

And you know why that is, same reason why openers in test cricket avg less than players @3 or below. It isn't rocket science, the new ball is still the most potent weapon against any batter, especially when he's new at the crease.

 

Well there's AB who's avg above 60 & striking close to 120 in the last few years, so there's that.

 

 

certainly abdv is in kohlis class ..

there are more than few players who were as good if not better than sachin ..

 

if we rate kohli higher than sachin , by default abdv too is better than sachin ..

 

anywya having 50++ average for the lower order batsmen is not easy .. how many people have the average of dhoni/bevan ?

[velu]

7 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

And you know why that is, same reason why openers in test cricket avg less than players @3 or below. It isn't rocket science, the new ball is still the most potent weapon against any batter, especially when he's new at the crease.

 

Well there's AB who's avg above 60 & striking close to 120 in the last few years, so there's that.

 

other argument is , openers in ODIs tend to have higher average than middle order batsmen ..

field restrictions and harder ball

[R!TTER]

14 minutes ago, velu said:

 

 

certainly abdv is in kohlis class ..

there are more than few players who were as good if not better than sachin ..

 

if we rate kohli higher than sachin , by default abdv too is better than sachin ..

 

anywya having 50++ average for the lower order batsmen is not easy .. how many people have the average of dhoni/bevan ?

I don't rate any of them higher than Sachin, a career spanning 4 decades, late 80's till nearly mid 2010 isn't something gets overtaken in a matter of one decade. In that sense Kohli still has to finish his career before we can stack their numbers against one another, but like I said SRT has 3 great WC performances while Kohli has 0 atm. If he can get anywhere close to the best, Viv & SRT, in the next 2 WC & help us win at least 1 then he can lay a claim to the GOAT batter in ODI - atm it's a tossup between Viv & Sachin, depending on who you support more.

 

Avg isn't everything, surely after watching the last game, which we lost, or the one at Lord's you'd know that.

Edited January 15, 2019 by R!TTER

[R!TTER]

15 minutes ago, velu said:

 

other argument is , openers in ODIs tend to have higher average than middle order batsmen ..

field restrictions and harder ball

Only 1 opener did that over such a long career span, everywhere else it was no.3 or lower who tended to avg higher on account of the NO innings. I'll let you guess that person's name.

 

They score more, not necessarily avg higher.

Edited January 15, 2019 by R!TTER