Trichromatic Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Philander - 22.37 Steyn - 22.30 Rabada - 22.39 Maharaj - 25.03 Morkel - 28.45 I think last time a team fielded 3-4 sub-25 bowlers was way back in 80s when WI had Marshall, Garner, Andy Roberts, and Michael Holding. BeardedAladdin and New guy 2 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 jeez could be pandemonium if they are all in the zone BeardedAladdin 1 Link to comment
chewy Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Fecking hell, those are some averages Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On paper yes but some are coming back from injury. Link to comment
New guy Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 And we don't have a single bowler below 30, except Bhuvi who hasnt played enough Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Philander - 22.37 Steyn - 22.30 Rabada - 22.39 Maharaj - 25.03 Morkel - 28.45 I think last time a team fielded 3-4 sub-25 bowlers was way back in 80s when WI had Marshall, Garner, Andy Roberts, and Michael Holding. On paper, yes. But Donald >> Steyn currently, Pollock was way better than Philander ( same bowler, but with more bounce). Delivers and Rabada are not comparable really -one is a very accurate and awkward to play seam bowler with good movement, the other is an express speedster with classic but unfinished speedster credentials : can be destructive, can also be wayward. Maharaj does have better average than the likes of Paul Adams or Niky Boje/Pat Symcox, but don't be fooled by their averages alone. Maharaj would be Adams-esque if he had to stand up to Sachin,Dravid, Dada, Azhar, Manjrekar etc. The most potent RSA attack i've seen is from the late 90s and late 2000s period when Steyn was in his full glory. Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, New guy said: And we don't have a single bowler below 30, except Bhuvi who hasnt played enough Ashwin 25.45 flamy 1 Link to comment
philcric Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Muloghonto said: On paper, yes. But Donald >> Steyn currently, Pollock was way better than Philander ( same bowler, but with more bounce). Delivers and Rabada are not comparable really -one is a very accurate and awkward to play seam bowler with good movement, the other is an express speedster with classic but unfinished speedster credentials : can be destructive, can also be wayward. Maharaj does have better average than the likes of Paul Adams or Niky Boje/Pat Symcox, but don't be fooled by their averages alone. Maharaj would be Adams-esque if he had to stand up to Sachin,Dravid, Dada, Azhar, Manjrekar etc. The most potent RSA attack i've seen is from the late 90s and late 2000s period when Steyn was in his full glory. Okay. Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 14 hours ago, Muloghonto said: On paper, yes. But Donald >> Steyn currently, Pollock was way better than Philander ( same bowler, but with more bounce). Delivers and Rabada are not comparable really -one is a very accurate and awkward to play seam bowler with good movement, the other is an express speedster with classic but unfinished speedster credentials : can be destructive, can also be wayward. Maharaj does have better average than the likes of Paul Adams or Niky Boje/Pat Symcox, but don't be fooled by their averages alone. Maharaj would be Adams-esque if he had to stand up to Sachin,Dravid, Dada, Azhar, Manjrekar etc. The most potent RSA attack i've seen is from the late 90s and late 2000s period when Steyn was in his full glory. I think OP is referring to overall career. Hence, Donald >> Steyn isn't true. Steyn > Donald (not ">>") is my pick. Pollock was better than Philander before he lost his pace, bounce and zip. I don't know if Fanie deV played alongside Donald and Pollock in the same match? One diff between this team and the 90s one was that a lot of fairly good allrounders served as the 4th, 5th and 6th bowlers - Kallis, McMillan, and even Cronje. Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 11 hours ago, philcric said: Okay. Manjrekar was better than anyone not named Pujara in this lineup, when it came to demolishing spin. Actually, this current batting lineup is probably the weakest batting lineup India has ever fielded against spin. Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 41 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Manjrekar was better than anyone not named Pujara in this lineup, when it came to demolishing spin. Actually, this current batting lineup is probably the weakest batting lineup India has ever fielded against spin. Manju averaged 30 at home - but it's still possible that he was better against current bunch. In the 90s, we had a lot of players who did superbly against spin - Kambli, Sidhu, Azhar, VVS, SRT, etc. Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Just now, Vijy said: Manju averaged 30 at home - but it's still possible that he was better against current bunch. In the 90s, we had a lot of players who did superbly against spin - Kambli, Sidhu, Azhar, VVS, SRT, etc. Sidhu, Azhar and Tendulkar were elite against spin. I'd put them ahead of anyone currently playing, in their ability to play spin. Kambli too, but he is a shade below these three i think. Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Sidhu, Azhar and Tendulkar were elite against spin. I'd put them ahead of anyone currently playing, in their ability to play spin. Kambli too, but he is a shade below these three i think. I'd put Kambli alongside this trio. if you look at all the games he played in SC and scored big, many a time he scored more than this trio and at a faster pace. VVS was very good too. Of course, all of them did choke every now and then (Udal) but I am referring to their ability in general. one match that comes to mind from memory is the one where he scored the double against Eng at a SR of 55-60. The others (Sid, SRT, Azhar) were tuk-tuking merrily at a SR of 35-45. Edited January 6, 2018 by Vijy Muloghonto and Gollum 2 Link to comment
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