Virat Kohli : worst captain in international cricket ever ?

[Cricketics]

Going with 4 fast bowlers isn’t wrong move. Not that our spinners win us game overseas. What is wrong is the choice of fast bowlers.

 

However, our current situation is problematic for anyone selecting the team. We have a trio of fast bowlers who bowled well in the first test and had to be retained for this test from

the chocie of bowlers we have in the squad.  Then we have Bhuvi(my personal favorite) who hasn’t played much test cricket due to injury, did not eben play thw warm up game, so the best bet was to play Umesh in this instance as he is part of home tests regularly and has been picked only because of the pace of the pitch. There is a reason why he wasn’t played last game because he is not our best bowler by any means, he was only picked here seeing the pitch.

 

We all need to understand that and calm down. Game isn’t over.

 

let’s go india.

 

 

[Laaloo]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

yes if they are not sure of his fitness, they should not have included him.  in fact, even Umesh should not be picked for overseas test. The guys averages 41 overseas and showing no signs of improvement like Ishant who even if not bowling magical deliveries has learnt to stay in the game.  Umesh takes game away from his team in a session.  going close 4 rpo on this pitches deserve permanent dropping from the squad.  

Even ishant was useless. On a green pitch give me wickets. I could care less about economy rate. Ishant got the new ball and wasted it as usual. Time to move on from shami umesh and ishant. 

 

Send ishant to the 24th floor and tell mahi Bhai to say the magic words. Enough is enough.

[vijay50]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25532276/removed-my-spinner

 

so many errors in kohlis captaincy. Read above.

[Forever Indian]

7 minutes ago, vijay50 said:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25532276/removed-my-spinner

 

so many errors in kohlis captaincy. Read above.

Extract from that:

 

The Kohli-Shastri captain-coach team has led India in 12 Tests outside Asia and the West Indies. Here is a non-results-based assessment of their team selections.

Adelaide 2014-15 - Play Karn Sharma - 66 first-class wickets in 34 matches at the time - ahead of R Ashwin. Karn goes for nearly five an over while opposition spinner Nathan Lyon takes 12 wickets.
Sydney 2014-15 - Drop Cheteshwar Pujara, who had just helped India draw a Test. Play out-of-sorts Suresh Raina.

Cape Town 2017-18 - Drop Ajinkya Rahane based on his form on slower pitches. Play Rohit Sharma

Centurion 2017-18 - Continue excluding Rahane, and also drop Bhuvneshwar Kumar, India's best bowler and second-best batsman in the previous Test.

Johannesburg, 2017-18 - Finally get Rahane back, but play five bowlers on a brutish pitch where extra batting cover is required. Hardik Pandya is required to bowl only eight overs.

Birmingham 2018 - Shikhar Dhawan is picked again. Only one spinner when Ashwin takes wickets even on day one. Pandya required to bowl only 10 overs.

Lord's 2018 - Two spinners in a four-day Test on a pitch kept under covers and moist with the weather around.

Trent Bridge 2018 - Get it right.

Southampton 2018 - Play Ashwin, who has not yet fully recovered from an injury. Believed to be 75-80%.

The Oval 2018 - Pick Hanuma Vihari ahead of Karun Nair, who has been with the squad for ages and might never get to play a Test again.

Adelaide 2018-19 - Get it right. Perfect combination. Six batsmen on a difficult pitch, balanced attack of three best quicks and No. 1 spinner

[GautiMaan]

6 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

You guys should be ashamed of youselves.  We fighting hard, doing well.  Its like dont get 80 all out skipper idiot

 

End of day most of you guys 5ft 2, side parting mummie boys, glasses and accountants/IT geeks.  Fav sport chess or cross words

 

Kohli brings something you malnoursiuhed dwarfs wont get.  Fight, aggression, desire, drive and never say die attitude, You guys more focused on chess moves like geeks should be.  We constantly fighting and challenging oppo.  Like today in days gone by this would have slipped away and body language of players become submissive and give up to let oppo put on 600 declared.  Here Kohli keeps on cracking the whip, the boys play with intent and desire which instilled over years as Kohli as skipper ad we come back in to it

 

Worst thread ever this with geeks who get scared looking at their own reflection all becoming heroes here.  Pathetic wrist slittig

As even the PM is finding out,just because the last guy at the job sucked doesnt mean you can do whatever you want without accountability

This is not the first time or even the third time that Shastri/Kohli duo have got the team selection wrong and if people still don't react then its something worse than being geeks

[King Tendulkar]

1 hour ago, GautiMaan said:

As even the PM is finding out,just because the last guy at the job sucked doesnt mean you can do whatever you want without accountability

This is not the first time or even the third time that Shastri/Kohli duo have got the team selection wrong and if people still don't react then its something worse than being geeks

What tosh

 

Yes shastri and kohli do get selction wrong sometimes!!!  Whats your point.  But they also get it right plenty of times before as well.  Juts cos they dont pick exact team you want you go nuts!

 

ICF launched in to kohli day 1 of last test and every ten mins during play as well,  Slagging of that call , this call etc etc  In the end India win and many depressed.

 

You never know selctions may prove right this test as well.  Only follish person would say game over after day 1 and oppo not even reached 300 yet and 6 down!

 

ps for the record towards end of day 1 imo Umesh bowled well.  Never know maybe ready to clean up tail and do well 2nd innings.

[GautiMaan]

21 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

What tosh

 

Yes shastri and kohli do get selction wrong sometimes!!!  Whats your point.  But they also get it right plenty of times before as well.  Juts cos they dont pick exact team you want you go nuts!

 

ICF launched in to kohli day 1 of last test and every ten mins during play as well,  Slagging of that call , this call etc etc  In the end India win and many depressed.

 

You never know selctions may prove right this test as well.  Only follish person would say game over after day 1 and oppo not even reached 300 yet and 6 down!

 

ps for the record towards end of day 1 imo Umesh bowled well.  Never know maybe ready to clean up tail and do well 2nd innings.

My gripe is that if  they can improve on Team Selection,this side should be able to dominate an Australia side without two of its best players.

Lets wait for the match to be over,but if we don't eliminate mistakes  we will end up with another "oh so close",if only.."

series like England and SA

Edited December 14, 2018 by GautiMaan

[King Tendulkar]

1 minute ago, GautiMaan said:

My gripe is that if  they can improve on Team Selection,this side should be able to dominate an Australia side without two of its best players.

Lets wait for the match to be over,but if we don't eliminate mistakes  we will end up with another "oh so close",if only.."

series like England and SA

Look what picks done wrong?  Sorry this aint time for debuts in oz!

 

Shaw injured so have to go with Vijay, no brainer

 

Rohit out and so have to replace with proper batsman as no Hardik to add balance.  So gone for Vihari who knocked door down and so sensible pick, no real contreversey

 

So really its about one pick.  I repeat one pick!  Who replaces Ashwin, they think no spinner needed and chocie between BK/Umesh.  Bk just come back so went for Umesh who did well last test in any case and is quicker.  Whats big deal?  Maybe I would have gone for spinner but its harly shocking , logic behind it even if people disagree.  Never know Kohli and co may prove correct like they did in 1st test when you lot were slaughtering his every move

[Forever Indian]

4 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Look what picks done wrong?  Sorry this aint time for debuts in oz!

 

Shaw injured so have to go with Vijay, no brainer

 

Rohit out and so have to replace with proper batsman as no Hardik to add balance.  So gone for Vihari who knocked door down and so sensible pick, no real contreversey

 

So really its about one pick.  I repeat one pick!  Who replaces Ashwin, they think no spinner needed and chocie between BK/Umesh.  Bk just come back so went for Umesh who did well last test in any case and is quicker.  Whats big deal?  Maybe I would have gone for spinner but its harly shocking , logic behind it even if people disagree.  Never know Kohli and co may prove correct like they did in 1st test when you lot were slaughtering his every move

Sorry, it's been the theme in almost all tests overseas, as acknowledged by even media. It's not just ICFers calling out the stupidity in team selections.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25532276/removed-my-spinner

 

Extract from that:

 

The Kohli-Shastri captain-coach team has led India in 12 Tests outside Asia and the West Indies. Here is a non-results-based assessment of their team selections.

Adelaide 2014-15 - Play Karn Sharma - 66 first-class wickets in 34 matches at the time - ahead of R Ashwin. Karn goes for nearly five an over while opposition spinner Nathan Lyon takes 12 wickets.
Sydney 2014-15 - Drop Cheteshwar Pujara, who had just helped India draw a Test. Play out-of-sorts Suresh Raina.

Cape Town 2017-18 - Drop Ajinkya Rahane based on his form on slower pitches. Play Rohit Sharma

Centurion 2017-18 - Continue excluding Rahane, and also drop Bhuvneshwar Kumar, India's best bowler and second-best batsman in the previous Test.

Johannesburg, 2017-18 - Finally get Rahane back, but play five bowlers on a brutish pitch where extra batting cover is required. Hardik Pandya is required to bowl only eight overs.

Birmingham 2018 - Shikhar Dhawan is picked again. Only one spinner when Ashwin takes wickets even on day one. Pandya required to bowl only 10 overs.

Lord's 2018 - Two spinners in a four-day Test on a pitch kept under covers and moist with the weather around.

Trent Bridge 2018 - Get it right.

Southampton 2018 - Play Ashwin, who has not yet fully recovered from an injury. Believed to be 75-80%.

The Oval 2018 - Pick Hanuma Vihari ahead of Karun Nair, who has been with the squad for ages and might never get to play a Test again.

Adelaide 2018-19 - Get it right. Perfect combination. Six batsmen on a difficult pitch, balanced attack of three best quicks and No. 1 spinner

Edited December 14, 2018 by Forever Indian

[King Tendulkar]

Give a **** about your extract.  A lot of these decsion above I agree with Kohli, just hindsight is wondefful thing.  Shame this extract does not talk about amazing job done makiig us have the great bowling attack we have now, nor how we play positive cricket and seek wins with force and agression (does not always work but...)

 

I mean above it mentions dropped ranhane few times as bad call.  yet ICF wants Rahanes blood last year or so, so forgive me for being confused!

 

Jeez

 

What firgging skipper picks perfect team all the time.  Plus impossible anyway, as everyone has different opion.

[putrevus]

7 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Sorry, it's been the theme in almost all tests overseas, as acknowledged by even media. It's not just ICFers calling out the stupidity in team selections.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25532276/removed-my-spinner

 

Extract from that:

 

The Kohli-Shastri captain-coach team has led India in 12 Tests outside Asia and the West Indies. Here is a non-results-based assessment of their team selections.

Adelaide 2014-15 - Play Karn Sharma - 66 first-class wickets in 34 matches at the time - ahead of R Ashwin. Karn goes for nearly five an over while opposition spinner Nathan Lyon takes 12 wickets.
Sydney 2014-15 - Drop Cheteshwar Pujara, who had just helped India draw a Test. Play out-of-sorts Suresh Raina.

Cape Town 2017-18 - Drop Ajinkya Rahane based on his form on slower pitches. Play Rohit Sharma

Centurion 2017-18 - Continue excluding Rahane, and also drop Bhuvneshwar Kumar, India's best bowler and second-best batsman in the previous Test.

Johannesburg, 2017-18 - Finally get Rahane back, but play five bowlers on a brutish pitch where extra batting cover is required. Hardik Pandya is required to bowl only eight overs.

Birmingham 2018 - Shikhar Dhawan is picked again. Only one spinner when Ashwin takes wickets even on day one. Pandya required to bowl only 10 overs.

Lord's 2018 - Two spinners in a four-day Test on a pitch kept under covers and moist with the weather around.

Trent Bridge 2018 - Get it right.

Southampton 2018 - Play Ashwin, who has not yet fully recovered from an injury. Believed to be 75-80%.

The Oval 2018 - Pick Hanuma Vihari ahead of Karun Nair, who has been with the squad for ages and might never get to play a Test again.

Adelaide 2018-19 - Get it right. Perfect combination. Six batsmen on a difficult pitch, balanced attack of three best quicks and No. 1 spinner

Team selection has been biggest problem for these two, Shastri and Kohli.They cannot escape from that fact.

[King Tendulkar]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Team selection has been biggest problem for these two, Shastri and Kohli.They cannot escape from that fact.

What so in this so called extract you agree with all writer has said.  None of those calls at the time you agreed with? Or isICF aka the mob just being slimey clever with hinsdight?  In my experince 5ft 2 accountants are sneeky like this and cant be trusted, always trying to get people out of paying their taxes

[vvvslaxman]

30 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

My gripe is that if  they can improve on Team Selection,this side should be able to dominate an Australia side without two of its best players.

Lets wait for the match to be over,but if we don't eliminate mistakes  we will end up with another "oh so close",if only.."

series like England and SA

I doubt so. Indian batting is one of the worst. We saw in England. Apart from Kohli everyone got shown up. Pujara saved our ass in the first test. But for him we would have got canned. We still have issues getting rid of tail. Our tail is one of the worst in the world.  Our batsmen can't bowl a few overs to save their lives. Our spinners do well only in subcontinent conditions. Only saving grace for us is our fast bowling unit. Everything else is a lottery. But for our pacers we would have got thrashed by bigger margins in the recently lost tests.

[Forever Indian]

10 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

What so in this so called extract you agree with all writer has said.  None of those calls at the time you agreed with? Or isICF aka the mob just being slimey clever with hinsdight?  In my experince 5ft 2 accountants are sneeky like this and cant be trusted, always trying to get people out of paying their taxes

These are all common sense mistakes, that if you can't see then only Shastri or @Global.Baba can help you. Dropping Pujara and playing Raina, Playing Rohit in place of Rahane in SA, bringing back Dhawan overseas, playing two spinners in Lords green mamba, etc...

[Forever Indian]

21 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Give a **** about your extract.  A lot of these decsion above I agree with Kohli, just hindsight is wondefful thing.  Shame this extract does not talk about amazing job done makiig us have the great bowling attack we have now, nor how we play positive cricket and seek wins with force and agression (does not always work but...)

 

I mean above it mentions dropped ranhane few times as bad call.  yet ICF wants Rahanes blood last year or so, so forgive me for being confused!

 

Jeez

 

What firgging skipper picks perfect team all the time.  Plus impossible anyway, as everyone has different opion.

Nobody here called for dropping Rahane to play Rohit or bringing back Rohit in place of Vihari. Nobody here also gives a **** of a single person's view without even a proof.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

These are all common sense mistakes, that if you can't see then only Shastri or @Global.Baba can help you. Dropping Pujara and playing Raina, Playing Rohit in place of Rahane in SA, bringing back Dhawan overseas, playing two spinners in Lords green mamba, etc...

There were some obvious errors. But this test is definitely not one of them. An unfit Bhuvi who should have never been with the squad was not picked. It is the right call. Picking Jadeja is an useless exercise unless you want a bits and pieces player who may or may not click. Lyon might still own us on this pitch. But that should not give an idea that "we missed a trick". We only look at spin = spin. No his strength is bounce, over spin. Neither of which our spinners can deliver. May be Kuldeep. But that will leave three seamers again toil.  Just in case pitch helps the seamers a lot and one of our seamer is half fit and trundle we will be left with 2 seamers. It is the same for Australia as well. There is nothing like perfect side for us at this moment. We were making fun of Pujara, Rahane, Vijay, Rahul everyone. Once they click in a match we forget all our complaints. Why is M Vijay still playing knowing fully well he will not score more than 15 or 20 runs. WHat is the use of him? What about T20 hack KL Rahul. Rahane until the last innings sucking balls. We have an unsettled side where nothing is an obvious omission. Nobody selects themselves in this side except Kohli, Bumrah. Now Pujara/Shami have joined. Rest of the guys can blow hot and cold.

[King Tendulkar]

19 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

These are all common sense mistakes, that if you can't see then only Shastri or @Global.Baba can help you. Dropping Pujara and playing Raina, Playing Rohit in place of Rahane in SA, bringing back Dhawan overseas, playing two spinners in Lords green mamba, etc...

You are picking team with hindsight.  Nice

 

Never said they get all things right, but who does?  But they get most right defo.

 

You never want to talk about these things

Picking Bumrah from no where for SA tests with barely any FC experince in recent months

Sticking with Rahane for last test when whole of ICF wanted him jailed.  What happened to that commn sesne mistake?  O wait you were wong Kohli was right

Picking bowlers with wheels, maiking them bend their backs and bowl with energy meaning we have maybe best pace attack in the world and no doubts best in India history

Making team play to win, positive cricket, play to win.

Making team have never say die attitude, play till the end, fight till the end. Frankly never seen anything like this before for Indian test team

Sticking with Pujara despite really really  poor spelll, came good in eng eventually and carrying on so far

 

As for above some call were made with some logic.  Dhwan sensational in white ball cricket and in eng, so thought would pay off in tests - this turned out wrong but can see logic even though I would not have picked him

Yes playing Raina in tests is poor, bad call

Pujara was sucking can see why dropped.  He made runs in Eng, this saved his career but lets not pretend till this eng knock he was blazing it, in fact was frigging awaful for long period and had his own lynch mob here on icf who had enough of him.  Fair play managt got him back in despite sucking.  Maybe dropping him gave him time to ponder and come back well?

2 spinners in overseas test is wrong, they made mistake there

 

[King Tendulkar]

For the record I would have picked exact same team with squad availbale for this test.

 

My gripe is Mayank aggarwal should have been in squad and would have opened with him instead of Vijay

 

Other then that no gripes from me

[Global.Baba]

1 minute ago, King Tendulkar said:

You are picking team with hindsight.  Nice

 

Never said they get all things right, but who does?  But they get most right defo.

 

You never want to talk about these things

Picking Bumrah from no where for SA tests with barely any FC experince in recent months

Sticking with Rahane for last test when whole of ICF wanted him jailed.  What happened to that commn sesne mistake?  O wait you were wong Kohli was right

Picking bowlers with wheels, maiking them bend their backs and bowl with energy meaning we have maybe best pace attack in the world and no doubts best in India history

Making team play to win, positive cricket, play to win.

Making team have never say die attitude, play till the end, fight till the end. Frankly never seen anything like this before for Indian test team

Sticking with Pujara despite really really  poor spelll, came good in eng eventually and carrying on so far

 

As for above some call were made with some logic.  Dhwan sensational in white ball cricket and in eng, so thought would pay off in tests - this turned out wrong but can see logic even though I would not have picked him

Yes playing Raina in tests is poor, bad call

Pujara was sucking can see why dropped.  He made runs in Eng, this saved his career but lets not pretend till this eng knock he was blazing it, in fact was frigging awaful for long period and had his own lynch mob here on icf who had enough of him.  Fair play managt got him back in despite sucking.  Maybe dropping him gave him time to ponder and come back well?

2 spinners in overseas test is wrong, they made mistake there

 

Kohli is a poor Captain when it comes to strategy. However what I like is the intensity he brings on which was missing in the dark days of the previous era.

 

There is a reason why we competed so well in every game- credit to Kohli but also the reason we lost as well

[Global.Baba]

1 minute ago, King Tendulkar said:

For the record I would have picked exact same team with squad availbale for this test.

 

My gripe is Mayank aggarwal should have been in squad and would have opened with him instead of Vijay

 

Other then that no gripes from me

Would have picked Bhuvi over Umesh on a perceived grassy pitch