Lessons to be learned from this series loss.

[vishalvirsingh]

On 1/27/2018 at 8:56 PM, narenpande1 said:

1) Rohit should never play an overseas test for India. He is not a test standard batsman in outside the subcontinent conditions. 

test batsman playing outside india is some one who has to counter fast bowlers from england,australia and africa ...genuine fast bowlers all of whom kind of bowl 140+...apart from lanka probably all teams have at least one or two pacers in their test team who bowl 140+, some have very skillfull swing bowlers too like jimmy anderson etc....so only batsman who have a very SOLID technique like Pujara,rahane kohli, kl rahul, VJ even Parthiv , may be MANISH Pandey ( has good technique against fast bowlers), may be some good opener in india, even DHAWAN could become Good if he sorts out his defence against short balls.

we need to be sure about our batting , only folks who have proved their point against Genuine pace should go abroad.

On 1/27/2018 at 8:56 PM, narenpande1 said:

2) Rahane unless he is woefully out of form should be a permanent fixture in overseas tests.

yes.

3) Play 2 practice games before the 1st test.

even 1 practice game is OK along with 6 to 8 days of Nets is Fine.

4) We need an average plus keeper who is a test standard batter for the long term. 

only parthiv is Good batsman who keeps , pant is not meant for Tests .in this test he kept well and hence he may even fly to england.

 

On 1/27/2018 at 8:56 PM, narenpande1 said:

5) Hardik Pandya is NOT a test standard bowler. He can bowl a few overs. His batting is 50-50. We should play an extra batter or Jadeja/Ashwin in his place at all times in overseas conditions.

Hardik is way better than vijay shankar or any other pace all rounder in india as far as I can say, he should be supported.

he is a great fielder, bowls fine and bats well.

On 1/27/2018 at 8:56 PM, narenpande1 said:

 

 

 

 

[goose]

On 27 January 2018 at 3:26 PM, narenpande1 said:

 

2) Rahane unless he is woefully out of form should be a permanent fixture in overseas tests.

isn't it the exact opposite?

[Khota]

We never learn anything. It is rinse and repeat.

[Trichromatic]

Don't drop catches. Half of the battle is won there itself. Moreover our super fit fielders rarely hit stumps. We get lot of run out opportunities and rarely those are converted.

 

Rest of the issues are common for all teams. Openers, middle order batsmen, extra pacer. There is no team is world which is not struggling all these.

[SUMO]

1. we could opt for shikhar rahul at home and vijay rahul away.
    rohit for home and rahane away
2. hardik is not absolutely junk overseas, could play if needed.
3. pujara is not suited for overseas
4. ashwin is good enough overseas to support the pacers.

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Don't drop catches. Half of the battle is won there itself. Moreover our super fit fielders rarely hit stumps. We get lot of run out opportunities and rarely those are converted.

 

Rest of the issues are common for all teams. Openers, middle order batsmen, extra pacer. There is no team is world which is not struggling all these.

our u19s hit more direct hits than seniors.

[Trichromatic]

8 hours ago, SUMO said:

1. we could opt for shikhar rahul at home and vijay rahul away.
    rohit for home and rahane away
2. hardik is not absolutely junk overseas, could play if needed.
3. pujara is not suited for overseas
4. ashwin is good enough overseas to support the pacers.

Because Dhawan is mysterious beast at home with just 1 century in India and average in 30s after that first 100 and Vijay has scored 7 centuries?

[shortbread]

On 1/27/2018 at 3:26 PM, narenpande1 said:

1) Rohit should never play an overseas test for India. He is not a test standard batsman in outside the subcontinent conditions. 

2) Rahane unless he is woefully out of form should be a permanent fixture in overseas tests.

3) Play 2 practice games before the 1st test.

4) We need an average plus keeper who is a test standard batter for the long term. 

5) Hardik Pandya is NOT a test standard bowler. He can bowl a few overs. His batting is 50-50. We should play an extra batter or Jadeja/Ashwin in his place at all times in overseas conditions.

 

 

 

+1.......in context of the England tour

1) Couldn't agree more.......NoH!t stays in India

2) Must be a part of the England tour squad

3) Instead of the ECB provided teams on flat practice pitches, BCCI could arrange warm-up games against Scotland/Ireland

4) Stick with Saha......just dont have major expectations with the bat.

5) Bhuvi and Ashwin should play every game. Both of them are good with the bat and have scored runs in England.

 

[MCcricket]

Indian team currently is the best package that I have seen as far as my memory goes, also has the ability to win in SA, Aus, Eng.

Lessons that should've been learnt but BCCI is conceited n only motivated by money.

Tours to SA, Eng, Aus have to be planned well so that you have enough time to get used to the condition, few practise games with top sides n proper matches, also tours have to start with t20 ,then ODi n last test so players r ready by then n pitch comes more into play in test format.

Next Virat needs to be logical in judging n selecting p!Ayers n not get carried away with their attitude or the so called game changer potential.

A test BATSMEN is a different breed n Dhawan ,Rohit will never be one unless the improve their game radically, game changer in ODi means nothing in tests.?

Chopping n changing constantly affects the team negatively n should be done wisely, also the selection of players from the small group is pathetic n it should come from the larger pool n slectors n captain need to be brave to blood in promising players.

Bowling with intensity is critical n it's time we groom match winning bowlers who can bowl well consistently n not in patches.

Ishant has to make way for Saini ,Khaleel, Aniket whoever steps up.

Same with Dhawan , Rohit being relegated to ODi n t20 only depending on performance.

BK should be a constant in this side as he provides value to the team as a bowler n a BATSMEN as well.

India should look at playing Chahal , K Yadav in tests as well as they can succeed even in SA, Aus, Eng where our finger spinners are poor mostly.

KL Rahul, Vijay, Rahane, Pujara, Kohli , Saha should be out core team n BK ,Pandya as constants.

Our slipper should be designated n held accountable and I prove as they have been very poor.

We should stop carrying passengers on tour n blood at least one or two youngsters in every tour to keep bench strong.

Rotating strike should be a priority rather then make guys like Pujara n Vijay change their game be more agressive n loose wkts as they serve an important role.

Pappu should never ever play for India again as he is a tried n tested failure.

It's important bowlers focus on right lengths to bowl away from home n also don't be predicatble n be intelligent in their approach.

Shami has to be given some pointers as to where he falls short n how he has to bowl with intensity throughout n not in patches.

Slips placement has to be precise n we miss too many catches by going for 1 1/2 slip position n our fielders don't make up for it.

Most important have a test series of min 4 n preferred 5 tests where we have a good chance to win n make a comeback.

Learning how to bowl n bat with Kokkaburra as they don't offer much sideway movement n become toothless after 35 overs, also our spinners need to learn how to bowl with them.

[Trichromatic]

10 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Indian team currently is the best package that I have seen as far as my memory goes, also has the ability to win in SA, Aus, Eng.

Lessons that should've been learnt but BCCI is conceited n only motivated by money.

 

It's BCCI which has invested in development of pacers at grassroot level and results we are seeing now. 

[SUMO]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Because Dhawan is mysterious beast at home with just 1 century in India and average in 30s after that first 100 and Vijay has scored 7 centuries?

Hmm not much to choose from, shikhar is in form of his life and in subcontinent he could be watch winner...rahul sikhar combo can destroy opposition with quick 100 run opening stand.

Vijay's golden run might be over, he is not leaving well outside off stump but still much better than sikhar overseas.

[Trichromatic]

2 minutes ago, SUMO said:

Hmm not much to choose from, shikhar is in form of his life and in subcontinent he could be watch winner...rahul sikhar combo can destroy opposition with quick 100 run opening stand.

Vijay's golden run might be over, he is not leaving well outside off stump but still much better than sikhar overseas.

We need batting change just for playing IN Bangladesh and Sri Lanka? 

[despondent_artist]

Change the coach. The biggest farce that has been sold to everyone is that "at this level you don't need coaching, you need man management". B******t!!! A competent coach would have identified & ensured that our catching issues have been addressed, our slip fielding issues have been addressed, and that we don't make school boy errors like not grounding the bat in a test match. 

 

Also, seems like the current incumbent thinks that man management equals being a yes man and keeping the captain happy, as this is the only way one can hold on to the coaching job in Indian cricket. 

 

I don't how this will happen, as I am at the end of the day just another lay armchair critic, but someone needs to work with Shami. We can't hope to be a world dominating team and apologetic of one of it's potential spearheads by saying, "oh, he blows hot and cold". It doesn't work that way. I'm not saying he's not the right bowler, he is one of the most skilled operators in the country but someone needs to work with him to ensure that he is more consistent.