Pandya's bowling in the 1st 2 ODIs

[Laaloo]

24 minutes ago, maniac said:

In hindsight his 93 looks like one of those fluky knocks  like Shamis 50 in England etc or one of those countless once in a blue moon  counterattacking knocks by tailenders  throughout the history of test cricket....Had he been out due to some great bowling by opposition would have given the benefit of doubt but some of his dismissals after the 93 have been shameful to say the least..not worthy of a number 6.

 

As I have said countless times, he needs to be in the side as a specialist who can provide option in the other skill...becoming a passenger fast.

 

 

True. Even in Odis his best inning was when the game was already over pretty much. Apart from that he has rarely done anything. Same in t20s. He hasn't achieved anything yet. He needs to lose the hairstyles, get humbled and improve his cricket otherwise he will not last long.

[surajmal]

Maybe try Nagarkoti in place of Jadhav. Guy is a complete player, so also adds to the fielding. 

[putrevus]

How can he be tired , he just sat out for test series, this guy has no bowling skill which will make him consistent. His go to delivery is band the ball half way down the pitch. He has been horrible.


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[Khota]

He needs to sit out the next game. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Straight Drive]

One option is to replace Hardik with a specialist bowler who will gives us 10 overs more often than not and at lower rpo. Let Hardik improve his bowling in domestic cricket and once improvement in line and lengths and skills are observed, pick him again. In that case we will miss the batting of Hardik, but i guess a specialist bowler will pick more wickets and save the runs that we have to score.

[maniac]

Rohit,Dhawan,Kohli,Rahul/Iyer/Pandey/Rahane at 4 and 5,Dhoni,Bhuvi,Shami,Kuldeep,Chahal,Bumrah has to be the team

 

Long tail but in limited overs top 5-6 need to get the job done.

Edited February 5, 2018 by maniac

[adi B]

Pandya is going nowhere till the 2019 wc ,indian management  has invested a lot on him just to discard him like that! 

The team and management trust him to come good and he will 

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, maniac said:

In hindsight his 93 looks like one of those fluky knocks  like Shamis 50 in England etc or one of those countless once in a blue moon  counterattacking knocks by tailenders  throughout the history of test cricket....Had he been out due to some great bowling by opposition would have given the benefit of doubt but some of his dismissals after the 93 have been shameful to say the least..not worthy of a number 6.

 

 

Pandya has 1 century and 2 half centuries in 6 tests.  Among these, 2 tests were extremely low scoring affairs where other batters generally failed too.

 

In ODIs, he has 6 half centuries ... strike rate of 118 with average of 34.   This SR is priceless in ODIs.

 

No.6 and No.7 slots in LOIs require batters with high SR and big hitting ability.  Classical batsmen won't do in these slots.

 

Pandya has performed his role as a batsman, in ODIs atleast, for the reason given above.  ( He can improve in T20s though )

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, maniac said:

Rohit,Dhawan,Kohli,Rahul/Iyer/Pandey/Rahane at 4 and 5,Dhoni,Bhuvi,Shami,Kuldeep,Chahal,Bumrah has to be the team

 

Long tail but in limited overs top 5-6 need to get the job done.

 

It is very important to have high SR ( preferably 110+ ) big hitters at 6 and 7.

 

Your team has no high SR big hitters in the lower-middle order.

Edited February 5, 2018 by express bowling

[maniac]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Pandya has 1 century and 2 half centuries in 6 tests.  Among these, 2 tests were extremely low scoring affairs where other batters generally failed too.

 

In ODIs, he has 6 half centuries ... strike rate of 118 with average of 34.   This SR is priceless in ODIs.

 

No.6 and No.7 slots in LOIs require batters with high SR and big hitting ability.  Classical batsmen won't do in these slots.

 

Pandya has performed his role as a batsman, in ODIs atleast, for the reason given above.  ( He can improve in T20s though )

In tests especially Pandya has scored that 100 and 50 against Srilanka..His innings in the first test was awesome no doubt but had he got out to good bowling in the subsequent knocks I would have given him the benefit of doubt but the Manner in which he got out showed serious lack of temperament and match awareness.

 

Take someone like Ashwin for example, has 4 test 100s and a few 50s against good teams and coming to bowling it’s a no brainer who is better but still Ashwin is not a guaranteed starter overseas and rightfully so.

 

I am not asking Pandya to be dumped tomorrow in tests but his time is ticking.

 

Yes given his hitting ability he is very crucial but in the past his role was fulfilled by Dhoni and Yuvraj..,,one a keeper and the other a proper bat.

Expectation from Yuvi was to score those cameos but at the same time when situations demanded also score 100s.... Yuvis bowling in SC is the same level as Pandya or better.Do we expect Pandya to be capable of hitting odi 100s? Serious question.Can he be trusted to be a full time 4 or 5 like Yuvi?

 

Pandya in odis has still not done anything wrong to be dropped but he still hasn’t proven to be reliable in either department.

 

Anyway,I am talking about his technique and temperament in general especially tests.

[Vijy]

24 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Pandya has 1 century and 2 half centuries in 6 tests.  Among these, 2 tests were extremely low scoring affairs where other batters generally failed too.

 

In ODIs, he has 6 half centuries ... strike rate of 118 with average of 34.   This SR is priceless in ODIs.

 

No.6 and No.7 slots in LOIs require batters with high SR and big hitting ability.  Classical batsmen won't do in these slots.

 

Pandya has performed his role as a batsman, in ODIs atleast, for the reason given above.  ( He can improve in T20s though )

In ODIs, he is largely untested in non-SC conditions (barring CT 2017) as a batsman. I believe that he merits a place as a specialist lower-middle-order batsman thanks to his explosive hitting. We should see his bowling as a bonus and not expect >5 overs per match from him; hence, the need for a sixth bowler.

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

In tests especially Pandya has scored that 100 and 50 against Srilanka..His innings in the first test was awesome no doubt but had he got out to good bowling in the subsequent knocks I would have given him the benefit of doubt but the Manner in which he got out showed serious lack of temperament and match awareness.

 

Take someone like Ashwin for example, has 4 test 100s and a few 50s against good teams and coming to bowling it’s a no brainer who is better but still Ashwin is not a guaranteed starter overseas and rightfully so.

 

I am not asking Pandya to be dumped tomorrow in tests but his time is ticking.

 

Yes given his hitting ability he is very crucial but in the past his role was fulfilled by Dhoni and Yuvraj..,,one a keeper and the other a proper bat.

Expectation from Yuvi was to score those cameos but at the same time when situations demanded also score 100s.... Yuvis bowling in SC is the same level as Pandya or better.Do we expect Pandya to be capable of hitting odi 100s? Serious question.Can he be trusted to be a full time 4 or 5 like Yuvi?

 

Pandya in odis has still not done anything wrong to be dropped but he still hasn’t proven to be reliable in either department.

 

Anyway,I am talking about his technique and temperament in general especially tests.

Most of Ashwin's knocks have been against WI, which is a poorer team than Bang, and marginally ahead of Zim and SL.

[maniac]

@express bowling simple equation, Pandya bats at 6 or 7 interchangeable with Dhoni, So which means if the team is strong and doing well, you expect him to face 20-30 deliveries max at the same time since none of the top order bowl, as a fifth bowler you expect him to bowl 60 deliveries....is it worth it? I mean wouldn’t you rather have a bowler giving you 60 solid deliveries or a batsman you can interchange with 4,5 and 6 and expect to do well if he faces more than a 80-90 deliveries? As I said not writing off Pandya we need to set the expectations straight with him.

[maniac]

9 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Most of Ashwin's knocks have been against WI, which is a poorer team than Bang, and marginally ahead of Zim and SL.

I know, Iam just saying Pandya’s test stats prove nothing.... his batting temperament has been a let down after that 93

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

I know, Iam just saying Pandya’s test stats prove nothing.... his batting temperament has been a let down after that 93

well, he has hardly played any Tests. But his shot selection definitely needs a lot of work in Tests and in T20s; it's reasonable in ODIs for the moment.

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, Vijy said:

well, he has hardly played any Tests. But his shot selection definitely needs a lot of work in Tests and in T20s; it's reasonable in ODIs for the moment.

They were low scoring affairs were most batsmen failed... he could have easy escaped the radar but it’s the manner in which he got out especially in the situations is what made him standout.

 

Chasing a 5 th stump line chasing a small target when team is collapsing, A brainless runout when he needed to support his captain, a ramp shot on a minefield on a 5th day trying to save a game are not exactly something that can be ignored.

Edited February 5, 2018 by maniac

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

They were low scoring affairs were most batsmen failed... he could have easy escaped the radar but it’s the manner in which he got out especially in the situations is what made him standout.

 

Chasing a 5 th stump line chasing a small target when team is collapsing, A brainless runout when he needed to support his captain, a ramp shot on a minefield on a 5th day trying to save a game are not exactly something that can be ignored.

maybe he has more brawn than brain at the moment... although hopefully things will change. seeing allrounders like pandya, binny (jr) is a good reminder of amazing kapil was for majority of his career.

[diehardpacer]

Pandya's batting won the ODI series against Aussies.He is the only batsman who can score a 50 ball 100 if he gets going.Probably the only Indian batsman who can hit 6s as soon as he arrives.Even Kohli does not bat like that.Shankar has low strike rate and has not taken much wickets either.Pandya is a top class fielder and is good enough for 6-7 overs.He bowls much better in 2nd spells.He needs to find better ways of scoring the first 20 runs.

Kedar Jadhav should be dropped in favour of an all rounder who can hit from the start and take wickets.May be reconsider Jadeja/Ashwin for that slot or find someone else.This might not solve batting issue,but bowling will be covered.

 

Edited February 5, 2018 by diehardpacer

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

@express bowling simple equation, Pandya bats at 6 or 7 interchangeable with Dhoni, So which means if the team is strong and doing well, you expect him to face 20-30 deliveries max at the same time since none of the top order bowl, as a fifth bowler you expect him to bowl 60 deliveries....is it worth it? I mean wouldn’t you rather have a bowler giving you 60 solid deliveries or a batsman you can interchange with 4,5 and 6 and expect to do well if he faces more than a 80-90 deliveries? As I said not writing off Pandya we need to set the expectations straight with him.

 

Those 20-30 deliveries are very important.  All good ODI teams have big hitters for those positions.

 

45 to 50 runs  in 30 balls can make a big difference compared to 30-35  from 30 balls.

 

No team has a specialist bowler for the 5th bowler's slot these days.

 

I am quite satisfied with Pandya's batting in ODIs, given his role and batting position.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

In tests especially Pandya has scored that 100 and 50 against Srilanka..His innings in the first test was awesome no doubt but had he got out to good bowling in the subsequent knocks I would have given him the benefit of doubt but the Manner in which he got out showed serious lack of temperament and match awareness.

 

Take someone like Ashwin for example, has 4 test 100s and a few 50s against good teams and coming to bowling it’s a no brainer who is better but still Ashwin is not a guaranteed starter overseas and rightfully so.

 

 

Most of our other specialist batsmen have got out to poor shots or poor running too in the SA test series.  Why single out Pandya !

 

Yes ... he needs to put a price on his wicket in tests but that applies to Rahul, Rohit, Vijay  and Dhawan too.

 

Ashwin's  test centuries are against WI.