Kathua rape-murder: Lawyers stop police from filing chargesheet

[Gollum]

Original cartoon with message by the artist himself but as usual Hindutva handles have cropped the relevant bits and portrayed it as if it were done to malign Maryada Puroshottam Shri Ram. 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Gollum

[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Did the Crime Branch Report give communal colour to the incident?

 

Absolutely not.

The communal colour was given when Asifa's parent tried to bury their poor daughter.

But the same Hindutva forces stopped them by force to bury her as if she got Dirty blood and body which could have made the whole place Achoot for the Hindus.

Asifa was not the Rohingiya,

And Asifa was not even alive to change the demographics of that area.

But still the Hindutva forces were not ready to give any space even to her dead body.

 

Now Hindu Ekta Manjh and BJP boasting that they want justice for Asifa. But tell us in the last 3 months how many times Hindu Ekta Manch or BJP condemned the Hindutva forces who denied Asifa even a burial?

Answer is, perhaps NOT a single time Hindu Ekta Manch or BJP condemned this incident.

 

They themselves gave the communal colour to this Issue, and now blaming others for that.

 

They deny any communal colour from their side, but this denial of burial itself proofs that Asifa was abducted and raped and killed while this hatred already existed in the Hindutva community.

Muslims bury in kabrsthan where other muslims are buried. Other muslims didn't allow her burisl because she belonged to  a tribal community. 

 

[Singh bling]

41 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Muslims bury in kabrsthan where other muslims are buried. Other muslims didn't allow her burisl because she belonged to  a tribal community. 

 

I read the article in Punjabi .It has no mention of other muslims not allowing burial because she was a bakarwal.It is written that her. Adopted father wants to bury her in village as three of his children along with mother were buried in same village when they died of accident.This time villagers did not allow it as they said that land do not belongs to Muslims

[coffee_rules]

17 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

I read the article in Punjabi .It has no mention of other muslims not allowing burial because she was a bakarwal.It is written that her. Adopted father wants to bury her in village as three of his children along with mother were buried in same village when they died of accident.This time villagers did not allow it as they said that land do not belongs to Muslims

Thanks for correcting. 

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/behind-8-year-old-kathu-girls-rape-and-murder-story-of-a-divided-village-1836859

 

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The only house in the middle of a jungle, is now locked. Nobody seems to know where the family that belongs to a nomadic Muslim tribe has gone.

The girl's uncle Mohammad Jan, who lives a kilometre away, says land is the root cause of the dispute between the four Muslim families living in a Hindu-dominated area. The acrimony peaked last year when the Hindus demanded the return of over one acre of land sold to the Muslims. When that did not happen, they didn't allow the burial of the girl's body in the local graveyard, he says.

"When the body of girl was brought here for burial, people from the village attacked us. They said they will not allow us to bury her here, else they will take back the land," said Mohammad Jan.

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by coffee_rules

[MechEng]

20 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

I am told that original Hindu religion was against the CASTE system. 

But then some one introduced it in the history, while Dharmic Hindus didn't react against it at the appropriate time.

As a result, they lost the fight and evil won. 

And the next hundreds of Hindu generations in the next thousands of years had to suffer at hands of this disease. 

Caste system was/is simply division of labour. Even today the world is following caste system indirectly - Brahmins (scientists, professors and academicians), Kshatriya ( army, navy, airforce, government leadership), Vaishya (businessmen) and Shudras (working class people), all four castes are needed for a healthy society, can you imagine life in the world without working class people? Who will make the goods we buy as consumers in shops? Who will help in construction labour? Without them our society will be in chaos.

 

Now how did seeing the working class from a negative perspective start I don't know, but the caste system followed in the late medieval era in India was basically resembling the class system in the UK.

[gattaca]

This is terrible you can’t support the people who have done the crime. They done to drive the Muslim community away. This is really bad doesn’t reflect well on Indian society. 

[Jon_Snow]

This is terrible you can’t support the people who have done the crime. They done to drive the Muslim community away. This is really bad doesn’t reflect well on Indian society. 

Let govt. order CBI probe.We should not come to conclusion before that.We have seen false saffron terror propaganda.
Whoever has done this heinous crime, he should definitely get death penalty. But not without proper probe and trial and definitely not through media trial.

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[Gollum]

4 hours ago, MechEng said:

Caste system was/is simply division of labour. Even today the world is following caste system indirectly - Brahmins (scientists, professors and academicians), Kshatriya ( army, navy, airforce, government leadership), Vaishya (businessmen) and Shudras (working class people), all four castes are needed for a healthy society, can you imagine life in the world without working class people? Who will make the goods we buy as consumers in shops? Who will help in construction labour? Without them our society will be in chaos.

 

Now how did seeing the working class from a negative perspective start I don't know, but the caste system followed in the late medieval era in India was basically resembling the class system in the UK.

Caste system isn't the problem, it is the hereditary nature of it that is the problem. Now the son of a brick kiln worker may be a potential Ramanujam but because of the caste system he may be discouraged from pursuing studies and there may be roadblocks in his quest to mastery in mathematics. Ofc things are better today but for centuries the hereditary aspect crushed many dreams and broke the spines of the Shudras. 

[rkt.india]

23 hours ago, Gollum said:

Even I voted for BJP . Let us stop this discussion because we are digressing, I support dharmic causes and I hate anti national forces, tukde tukde gangs, commie libtards, Bollywood aman wallehs etc. I am not comfortable with Hindutva, that's all. Let us not fret over these issues bhai, we both agree that current regime is the only hope we have to course correct. While we may differ on topics like Hindi/regional language or Hindu/Hindutva our thought processes on all other matters are more or less the same, so peace.

and i didn't.

[rkt.india]

14 hours ago, Gollum said:

Original cartoon with message by the artist himself but as usual Hindutva handles have cropped the relevant bits and portrayed it as if it were done to malign Maryada Puroshottam Shri Ram. 

problem is not with cartoon but with religion card.  what has this rape incident to do with any religion?

[zen]

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/agra/7-year-old-raped-and-murdered-during-a-wedding-ceremony-in-etah/articleshow/63794611.cms

 

more bad news 

[Alam_dar]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

problem is not with cartoon but with religion card.  what has this rape incident to do with any religion?

I am afraid ... 100%.

This rape and killing of Asifa has to do 100% with the religious hatred and tension. 

It is a sad state, but denying this "original problem" will only bring more problems instead of solution. 

 

One may deny the report of the Crime Branch that Sanji Ram got tensions with the Bakarwal and he planned for the abduction of Asifa

One may deny the forensic evidence report of Delhi Laboratory of drugging and raping of Asifa by a gang.

One may deny the monitoring of the investigation by the high court. 

 

But how one is going to deny the hatred showed by the Extremists (Hindutva supporters) when they denied even burial to the dead body of Asifa by force (8 days after her abduction)? Asifa was not a Rohinga. And dead body of Asifa was not to change the demographics of Jamu. But still she was denied the burial by force even that place didn't belong to the Extremists and relatives of Asifa were already buried there. 

 

Remember, at time of burial of Asifa, there was no mention of Devstan or accusation of planning by Sanji Ram. But still Asifa's dead body received so much hatred. 

 

So, whom should be blamed for this hatred except for the religious hatred? 

 

Hindu Ekta Manch shows it cares for the heinous crime against Asifa and want to punish the culprits. But heinous crime was not done only by the rapists and the killers, but also from those who denied Asifa the burial due to their religious hatred. 

 

But not for once Hindu Ekta Manch protested against those extremist Hindus who denied Asifa the burial. Not even a single time Hindu Ekta Manch asked the government to arrest those extremist Hindus why by force denied her the burial. 

 

Then how to believe that Hindu Ekta Manch is "Honest"? 

 

Then how to believe BJP on this issue while BJP too never condemned or protested for arrest of those Hindu extremists. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

11 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

I am afraid ... 100%.

This rape and killing of Asifa has to do 100% with the religious hatred and tension. 

It is a sad state, but denying this "original problem" will only bring more problems instead of solution. 

 

One may deny the report of the Crime Branch that Sanji Ram got tensions with the Bakarwal and he planned for the abduction of Asifa

One may deny the forensic evidence report of Delhi Laboratory of drugging and raping of Asifa by a gang.

One may deny the monitoring of the investigation by the high court. 

 

But how one is going to deny the hatred showed by the Extremists (Hindutva supporters) when they denied even burial to the dead body of Asifa by force (8 days after her abduction)? Asifa was not a Rohinga. And dead body of Asifa was not to change the demographics of Jamu. But still she was denied the burial by force even that place didn't belong to the Extremists and relatives of Asifa were already buried there. 

 

Remember, at time of burial of Asifa, there was no mention of Devstan or accusation of planning by Sanji Ram. But still Asifa's dead body received so much hatred. 

 

So, whom should be blamed for this hatred except for the religious hatred? 

 

Hindu Ekta Manch shows it cares for the heinous crime against Asifa and want to punish the culprits. But heinous crime was not done only by the rapists and the killers, but also from those who denied Asifa the burial due to their religious hatred. 

 

But not for once Hindu Ekta Manch protested against those extremist Hindus who denied Asifa the burial. Not even a single time Hindu Ekta Manch asked the government to arrest those extremist Hindus why by force denied her the burial. 

 

Then how to believe that Hindu Ekta Manch is "Honest"? 

 

Then how to believe BJP on this issue while BJP too never condemned or protested for arrest of those Hindu extremists. 

 

 

Read about the history of tensions between Majority Hindu and Tribal Muslims in the area. Rohingyas settling down in Jammu, there have been property disputes between Hindus and Muslims related to grazing land etc., It is very much possible for extremist elements from Kashmir to divide the last bastion of Hindus in Jammu region. This animosity didn't start in Jan, it's been boiling since 1990s. 

[DHONI_FANN]

1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

I am afraid ... 100%.

This rape and killing of Asifa has to do 100% with the religious hatred and tension. 

It is a sad state, but denying this "original problem" will only bring more problems instead of solution. 

 

One may deny the report of the Crime Branch that Sanji Ram got tensions with the Bakarwal and he planned for the abduction of Asifa

One may deny the forensic evidence report of Delhi Laboratory of drugging and raping of Asifa by a gang.

One may deny the monitoring of the investigation by the high court. 

 

But how one is going to deny the hatred showed by the Extremists (Hindutva supporters) when they denied even burial to the dead body of Asifa by force (8 days after her abduction)? Asifa was not a Rohinga. And dead body of Asifa was not to change the demographics of Jamu. But still she was denied the burial by force even that place didn't belong to the Extremists and relatives of Asifa were already buried there. 

 

Remember, at time of burial of Asifa, there was no mention of Devstan or accusation of planning by Sanji Ram. But still Asifa's dead body received so much hatred. 

 

So, whom should be blamed for this hatred except for the religious hatred? 

 

Hindu Ekta Manch shows it cares for the heinous crime against Asifa and want to punish the culprits. But heinous crime was not done only by the rapists and the killers, but also from those who denied Asifa the burial due to their religious hatred. 

 

But not for once Hindu Ekta Manch protested against those extremist Hindus who denied Asifa the burial. Not even a single time Hindu Ekta Manch asked the government to arrest those extremist Hindus why by force denied her the burial. 

 

Then how to believe that Hindu Ekta Manch is "Honest"? 

 

Then how to believe BJP on this issue while BJP too never condemned or protested for arrest of those Hindu extremists. 

 

 

You mean only Hindus have beef with Muslims. What about Sri Lanka and Mayanmar? Don't they have Buddhism majority? Why can't they live peacefully there? Clearly there is something wrong with Muslims. They can't coexist with community of any other religion. Why is it that Hindu, Christians, Buddhists, Jain, Sikhs etc can live together peacefuly but not Muslims? Think about it. 

[Alam_dar]

2 hours ago, DHONI_FANN said:

You mean only Hindus have beef with Muslims. What about Sri Lanka and Mayanmar? Don't they have Buddhism majority? Why can't they live peacefully there? Clearly there is something wrong with Muslims. They can't coexist with community of any other religion. Why is it that Hindu, Christians, Buddhists, Jain, Sikhs etc can live together peacefuly but not Muslims? Think about it. 

Muslims could not even live peacefully with other Muslims, and they kill each other as we see in Syria.

 

 

[zen]

Sad to read that the kid could not even get a piece of land to get buried .... I would hv thought that the community (irrespective of their religion) would have come forward to support her 

 

A country where kids (multiple incidence of crime posted on this thread) are treated in such a way has no great destiny 

 

RIP India

Edited April 18, 2018 by zen

[coffee_rules]

30 years of serious strife in that region, it is better we bifurcate Kashmir into a DMZ, kind of no-man's land and keep peace in remaining land of J&K. There is no trust from rest of the country from personnel from K. Are they compromised, are they loyal, do they believe in India.. serious doubts in the minds of people from rest of the country. If they are motivating young girls to be stone-pelters, there is no hope for them and they'd become like people in Gaza strip. Bhaad mein jaye sab.  

[Alam_dar]

9 hours ago, DHONI_FANN said:

You mean only Hindus have beef with Muslims. What about Sri Lanka and Mayanmar? Don't they have Buddhism majority? Why can't they live peacefully there? Clearly there is something wrong with Muslims. They can't coexist with community of any other religion. Why is it that Hindu, Christians, Buddhists, Jain, Sikhs etc can live together peacefuly but not Muslims? Think about it. 

 

(1) In my opinion, biggest problem is "extremism". 

While secular liberal Muslims lived for thousand years in India, Mayanmar, Philipines, Indonesia, Malaysia and there were not so much problems as of today, while we are watching Political wahabi extremist Islam today. 

Different sects of Christians also fought each other. But then they became moderate in Europe, thus many problems vanished. 

 

(2) I am afraid that "Hidutva Movement" is moving into the direction of "extremism" and not in the direction of "secularism". 

 

(3) Hindutva movement  has also all kind of problems with Christians and other minorities too and even with the Seculars, just like Muslims have problems with all the non-Muslims. 

 

Reason is this that modern Hindutva movement is not a "defensive" movement against the Muslims, but it has become an "aggressive" movement whose aim is not defensive, but "imposing" the Hindu values upon all non-Hindus by force. 

 

(4) Modern Hindutva is a wrong platform against the extremist Muslims. 

Ideal situation is when there is a platform which unites all the folks (hindu, christians, sikhs, seculars and even moderate Muslims) in India against the extremist Muslims.

But modern Hindutva movement actually disunited the Indian society and divided it into many parts due to it's own extremism. 

This behaviour of modern Hindutva movement is actually making the extremist Muslims more stronger and moderate Muslims also joining their ranks after watching the dangers from the Hindutva movement. And Secular and Christian and Sikhs etc. are also opposing Hindutva, while for them extremist Muslims and extremist Hindutva are the 2 sides of the same coin.

Not only the Muslims, but all the minorities and secular Indians are afraid of the Saffron Party when they come in processions waving the swords in their hands. 

For Secular Indians, Christians, Sikhs ... extremist Muslims and extremist Hindutva is is like out of the fry pan, into the fire. 

 

Present Hindutva movement also made the Indian organisations weaker (like Indian police and people fear that they get no justice against the goons of Hindutva). 

 

(5) If Hindutva movements want to spread the Hinduism and it's values, then it should be done through preaching, and not by imposing. 

 

(6) The way incident of Asifa was handled by the modern Hindutva movement, it was totally wrong,  totally destructive, counter productive and it would make Muslim extremism only more stronger. 

 

Sanji Ram is not alone who has to be blamed for this planned abduction/rape. But people like him have been brainwashed due to this modern Hindutva movement, where many people like Sanji Ram think that they perhaps do a service to India by doing such acts against the Muslims. 

And the people like Hindu Ekta Manch have also been brainwashed by the modern Hindutva movement when they think they have to support all such atrocities at every cost against all the Muslims. 

 

I am afraid this is wrong policy and back fire badly sooner or later. Europeans are busy in the middle east and with extremist Muslims at moment. But for sure they also hate this modern extremist Hindutva movement as much as the Secular Indians hate it. 

[coffee_rules]

 

[Muloghonto]

14 hours ago, BeardedAladdin said:

Lol, secularist media desperately trying to keep the media outrage going. 

 

This WILL NOT WORK.

 

dont believe anything you read online. It's all staged to push a political agenda.

 

One year before election time, congress party is in deep trouble, this is the only way they can actually try to win the election. 

These two lines are contradictory, unless you have direct access to the culprit/the accused/their lawyers/intelligence agencies. As outside of them, EVERYONE is basing their opinion on what they read on the issue.

 

Your opinion 'it is staged' is also based on reading stuff online.......