rtmohanlal Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 a good long sighted thread. Yes ... this has been a problem for some time which has got brutally exposed by Lanka in SAF. Lankan team is only a group of above average to good players at best .Yet they chased down in SAF in 2 consecutive 4rth inns, that too so effortlessly if mammothness of target & wkts lost are taken into account. This reveals a lot about our team and its ineffectiveness w.r.t 4rth inns chansing.How pathetic we has been!!!!!! . Solutions : Drop for ever that mental midget Rahane. Shaw,Mayank,Vihari,Pant & Jadeja should form a formidable top 7 along with Kohli and Pujara and play as positively as it could be in such instances of 4rth inns chases. If these Lankans can be such effective using this strategy , no doubt we too can if adopted the correct method. Link to comment
Stan AF Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 On 2/24/2019 at 2:01 PM, VT87 said: Do you think we can invest on Mayank and shaw for our prime opners. Yes, they have some early success but both look susceptible against swing. I have zero knowledge on domestic players. But its way past time that we started grooming test only players (specialists) and start avoiding multi-format players(batsmen especially) in tests. Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Laaloo said: When did we choke when we had manageable totals like this? Bridgetown 97? Sachin got two howlers in both the innings. We chased down 130 odd against Australia at home in 2001. We chased down 233 at Adelaide. We chased 200 odd against Pakistan in Delhi in 2007. We chased down 200+ twice against Australia in 2010 at home. Most of our overseas famous wins came when we batted first. For example, 2002 against england, 06 joburg, 07 Perth, 07 Trent bridge, 2010 Durban. I don't think we ever lost a manageable chase like the ones we lost last two years. We never had a strong bowling so we were rarely given the opportunity. Chasing 200 at home and chasing 200 plus overseas is lot of difference.India has stunk overall when it comes to chases away from home. I feel Indian batsmen both in SA and England lost before they came to bat in fourth innings. The openers are biggest reason for these flops. They were worse than tail enders and Kohli has not yet done anything in fourth innings chases. Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 Since Kohli assumed full charge of test captaincy, here are the 4th innings stats of all teams. Overall: Away from home: PATHETIC Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 Rest of the millennium. Overall: Away from home: Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) I knew we were bad, but this bad !!!! Edited February 25, 2019 by Gollum Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Uber defensive mindset never works in South Africa. More the experience you get more you get defensive. It is a recipe for disaster. Link to comment
zen Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 We need a mix of people from "slope of enlightenment" (Kohli+Pujara) and mount stupid (Pant+Pandya) Many of our cricketers are in the valley of despair (and their careers are not moving forward either to slope of enlightenment): Rahane, Vijay, Dhawan, Rohit, .... Link to comment
Gollum Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Uber defensive mindset never works in South Africa. More the experience you get more you get defensive. It is a recipe for disaster. Stats support your argument. Last 4 years (Kohli's captaincy) out of all teams that have toured RSA, we have the lowest rpo....excluding Zimbabwe. In 2 out of the 3 tests last year we played more number of overs than them. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Gollum said: Stats support your argument. Last 4 years (Kohli's captaincy) out of all teams that have toured RSA, we have the lowest rpo....excluding Zimbabwe. In 2 out of the 3 tests last year we played more number of overs than them. Even in the 3rd innings not just 4th innings we made a meal of setting a decent target. This match is a case in point. India had a lead of 41 runs. All they had to is not wet their pants and set a decent total like 300 in the last innings. Look how Tendulkar was stuck in this innings, so was Dravid. Only Ganguly was a bit more positive. Tendulkar was stuck in a hole. Frustrating. A test win here would have helped us beat SA in SA in a series. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/14500/scorecard/249217/south-africa-vs-india-3rd-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-2006-07 Gollum 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 12 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Sidhu not out in both innings. Both no balls. Several noballs were not called. Seriously that will play a role as bowlers get advantage by being quicker At least 5 (or more) no balls not called, saw the same when Pak benefited vs England in 2001 IIRC except it was the English umps who shat the bed. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Even in the 3rd innings not just 4th innings we made a meal of setting a decent target. This match is a case in point. India had a lead of 41 runs. All they had to is not wet their pants and set a decent total like 300 in the last innings. Look how Tendulkar was stuck in this innings, so was Dravid. Only Ganguly was a bit more positive. Tendulkar was stuck in a hole. Frustrating. A test win here would have helped us beat SA in SA in a series. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/14500/scorecard/249217/south-africa-vs-india-3rd-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-2006-07 God that was a big missed opportunity along with cape Town 2010 but our batting wasnt to blame for 2010. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Laaloo said: God that was a big missed opportunity along with cape Town 2010 but our batting wasnt to blame for 2010. Munaf Patel could bowl only one over before he left the field i think. So India was left with 3 bowlers. Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 2/25/2019 at 11:02 PM, Gollum said: Since Kohli assumed full charge of test captaincy, here are the 4th innings stats of all teams. Overall: Away from home: PATHETIC Can someone ask for Kohli and Shastri's opinion about this? Forget the top teams, minnows like SL and WI are schooling our overrated maharathis, how to approach 4th innings chases, how not to soil pants after a bad start...... Yet batting mainstays can never be dropped, never questioned, hyped to the moon and then some. Not a question of ability, just mental toughness. Main reason why we have been so dismal in SENA tests, we set unrealistic targets for our bowlers. They manage to shield our mental midget batsmen in SC but you can't always hope for innings win or 4th innings sub-100 targets in SENA. Even ATG Aus/WI never put such burden on their bowling units. Link to comment
Stan AF Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Allowing Sam Curran to hit 63(outof 180 team score) in the 2nd innings at Edgbaston . Little rascal effectively stole the test match there from us. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 From 2015 onwards Indian batsman away from India in 4th innings View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2014 Innings in match 4th innings Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 28 of 28 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s RR Pant 2018-2018 3 3 0 162 114 54.00 219 73.97 1 0 0 19 5 V Kohli 2014-2018 13 13 1 603 141 50.25 996 60.54 2 4 1 71 2 AM Rahane 2014-2018 11 10 2 312 52* 39.00 756 41.26 0 2 1 33 1 MS Dhoni 2014-2014 4 3 1 69 39 34.50 91 75.82 0 0 0 11 0 B Kumar 2014-2018 3 3 2 33 20* 33.00 75 44.00 0 0 1 4 0 M Vijay 2014-2018 10 10 0 270 99 27.00 646 41.79 0 2 0 27 4 S Dhawan 2014-2018 10 10 0 238 115 23.80 481 49.48 1 0 1 28 1 KL Rahul 2014-2018 8 8 0 188 149 23.50 347 54.17 1 0 2 25 1 RG Sharma 2014-2018 8 8 1 162 47 23.14 412 39.32 0 0 0 16 3 KD Karthik 2018-2018 1 1 0 20 20 20.00 50 40.00 0 0 0 2 0 PA Patel 2018-2018 1 1 0 19 19 19.00 49 38.77 0 0 0 2 0 RA Jadeja 2014-2018 4 3 0 54 26 18.00 110 49.09 0 0 0 8 1 Z Khan 2014-2014 2 1 0 17 17 17.00 32 53.12 0 0 0 1 1 R Ashwin 2014-2018 7 7 1 90 37 15.00 186 48.38 0 0 0 10 1 A Mishra 2015-2015 1 1 0 15 15 15.00 36 41.66 0 0 0 3 0 GH Vihari 2018-2018 2 2 0 28 28 14.00 81 34.56 0 0 1 4 0 CA Pujara 2014-2018 10 10 0 116 23 11.60 323 35.91 0 0 1 14 1 HH Pandya 2018-2018 4 4 0 38 31 9.50 85 44.70 0 0 1 4 0 Pankaj Singh 2014-2014 1 1 0 9 9 9.00 7 128.57 0 0 0 2 0 Mohammed Shami 2014-2018 12 9 2 45 28 6.42 57 78.94 0 0 3 8 0 WP Saha 2014-2018 4 4 0 23 13 5.75 46 50.00 0 0 1 3 1 I Sharma 2014-2018 10 8 1 34 11 4.85 88 38.63 0 0 3 6 0 KV Sharma 2014-2014 1 1 1 4 4* - 20 20.00 0 0 0 0 0 VR Aaron 2014-2015 2 2 1 2 1* 2.00 7 28.57 0 0 0 0 0 UT Yadav 2014-2018 4 2 1 2 2 2.00 31 6.45 0 0 0 0 0 Harbhajan Singh 2015-2015 1 1 0 1 1 1.00 7 14.28 0 0 0 0 0 JJ Bumrah 2018-2018 5 5 2 2 2 0.66 20 10.00 0 0 2 0 0 SK Raina 2015-2015 1 1 0 0 0 0.00 3 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 Apart from kohli,pant no one avg above 40 Rahane - 39 Vijay 27 Dhawan- 23.8 rahul - 23.5 Rohit- 23.1 Pujara - 11 Link to comment
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