Play Shaw, Pant, and Siraj; soft debuts do little good

[putrevus]

Just now, Laaloo said:

Vijay is over the hill. Dhawan sucks overseas. Rahane hardly does anything. Pujara sucks. Karthik has been given umpteen chances.how many more chances? Of course it is going to be a long haul. So why don't we start grooming young players for the long haul instead of same old recycled trash.

But you just cannot discard players who scored 100s before one test.Karthik is only one I agree, he should never be in the team.Pant should play instead of him.Dhawan and Pujara are interchangable.

Didn't whole media and this forum make so much fuss about Rahane in SA.

You know how well Dravid did against Australia in 1999 and how long it took him to become a  core player.

I have not seen any youngster who is ready,  Shaws and Gills would be mince meat versus Anderson and co.You have to draft youngster one at a time, you just can't replace your core batsman.Vijay is on his last legs , if he does not do well here, I think he and Dhawan will be gone.

[Lannister]

16 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Selectors are just dummies, similar to Shastriji. This is our beloved kaptaan's crap logic as usual. Listen to it from the horse's mouth:

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So even if you are a longer format specialist you will have to play T20 first to get discarded for non performance.

 

Happened with Suraj where he got bucket load of wickets in Ranji and 50 over format but was played in T20s and discarded from team based on poor performance in that format.

How dumb can these guys get? I don't know if they are doing it intentionally or just that they are clueless about their job and finding it hard to differentiate between the formats. The ex-players also keep it mum on this issue, which makes it even more annoying. 

[Straight Drive]

All 3 deserve a chance.   Do we really want to win series ? If so how are batting averages between range of 7 - 21 of specialist batsmen going to help in tough conditions. We need to give them a chance before saying the kidos will also be averaging between 7 - 21. Who knows they might even do good in range of 25 - 45. There can always be some  plus side given the very low standards the seniors have set.

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

All 3 deserve a chance.   Do we really want to win series ? If so how are batting averages between range of 7 - 21 of specialist batsmen going to help in tough conditions. We need to give them a chance before saying the kidos will also be averaging between 7 - 21. Who knows they might even do good in range of 25 - 45. There can always be some  plus side given the very low standards the seniors have set.

What will you do if these kids average that low even in India.

[rkt.india]

21 minutes ago, Lannister said:

How dumb can these guys get? I don't know if they are doing it intentionally or just that they are clueless about their job and finding it hard to differentiate between the formats. The ex-players also keep it mum on this issue, which makes it even more annoying. 

i would say they are clueless.  Being good or great cricketers does not necessarily make them the brightest minds.

[Forever Indian]

23 minutes ago, Lannister said:

How dumb can these guys get? I don't know if they are doing it intentionally or just that they are clueless about their job and finding it hard to differentiate between the formats. The ex-players also keep it mum on this issue, which makes it even more annoying. 

Sometimes I think Kohli is being cunning/selfish and other times think he is plain dumb when it comes to captaincy.

[Straight Drive]

12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What will you do if these kids average that low even in India.

We play Australia in Australia between Nov - Jan (our next test series after the ongoing one). After seeing the miserable performance of specialist batters in SA, this series was a right opportunity to try some one else. However, some of them  (Prithvi / Shubman)are not even in squad. We do not have a problem in batting in India. Same batsmen have been scoring 100+, 150+, 200+. The problem was in conditions of SA and England and selectors have opted for same players who showed tendency to fail in such conditions. 

Edited August 9, 2018 by Straight Drive

[putrevus]

13 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

We play Australia in Australia between Nov - Jan (our next test series after the ongoing one). After seeing the miserable performance of specialist batters in SA, this series was a right opportunity to try some one else. However, some of them  (Prithvi / Shubman)are not even in squad. We do not have a problem in batting in India. Same batsmen have been scoring 100+, 150+, 200+. The problem was in conditions of SA and England and selectors have opted for same players who showed tendency to fail in such conditions. 

You can't pick and choose players based on conditions.They have invested lot of time in this current squad, you just don't discard them after one series.Gills and Shaws are not even sureties to score in India leave alone Australia.There are only 5 spots ,one of them is occupied by Kohli.

Which batsmen from SA scored, they also were hopeless bar one or two.

Selectors cannot act on whims and hopes.

[Straight Drive]

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You can't pick and choose players based on conditions.They have invested lot of time in this current squad, you just don't discard them after one series.Gills and Shaws are not even sureties to score in India leave alone Australia.There are only 5 spots ,one of them is occupied by Kohli.

Which batsmen from SA scored, they also were hopeless bar one or two.

Selectors cannot act on whims and hopes.

I guess the batsmen apart from Virat have failed in more than one series in such conditions. Ideally we would need to develop all-weather batsmen. That should be the objective imo rather than continue playing FTB's. 

[beetle]

1 hour ago, Forever Indian said:

 

So even if you are a longer format specialist you will have to play T20 first to get discarded for non performance.

 

It is like these people don't understand the difference in formats.....

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

I guess the batsmen apart from Virat have failed in more than one series in such conditions. Ideally we would need to develop all-weather batsmen. That should be the objective imo rather than continue playing FTB's. 

That is easier said than done. you just have seen how SA got smashed in SL test series. Playing away from home has become increasingly hard.

 

You need some luck too to get some good core players who are all weather players.

[beetle]

On 8/9/2018 at 2:07 AM, express bowling said:

Interestingly, even Kumble liked experienced players and was responsible for Gambhir and Parthiv being called back in tests and Yuvi in ODIs. He said in an interview about his willingness to have Gambhir and  Yuvi back.

I am not too sold on the idea that kumble would have done wonders with the team.

Gambhir , parthiv and yuvi were like taking ten steps back. It is like trying out' m-seal' solutions.

Neither shastri nor kumble are the answer.

[Deleted_User_1]

Kuch nahin hone wala. There will be a few individual performances with Kohli shining. The rest will be the same, another series loss with may one game salvaged at the end when all is lost. Poyzz go back home on pattas and score runs and become over complacent, then Aus series comes and Indian team approach the first test with no real preparation ..... Rinse repeat .... ground hog day!

[themask]

13 hours ago, Forever Indian said:

Selectors are just dummies, similar to Shastriji. This is our beloved kaptaan's crap logic as usual. Listen to it from the horse's mouth:



wB6JDyDj0Mw

 

So even if you are a longer format specialist you will have to play T20 first to get discarded for non performance.

 

Happened with Siraj where he got bucket load of wickets in Ranji and 50 over format but was played in T20s and discarded from team based on poor performance in that format.

Siraj is not a T20 player! This way he'll never make it to the ODI and Test teams.

[Straight Drive]

11/2. Prithvi and Shubman and Rishabh should be give a chance. Can they have a pathetic average like these guys for two continuous series? SA tour flopped, first test flopped, first innings of second test the top order flops again as well. Yet we want to ignore the kidos. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Austin 3:!6]

Shaw is a better opener already than Vijay/Dhawan.

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Shaw is a better opener already than Vijay/Dhawan.

Only in fantasies at this point.  once he plays and gets out early in these conditions, you will be the first one to call out his poor technique.  He will be a sitting duck against Anderson.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Only in fantasies at this point.  once he plays and gets out early in these conditions, you will be the first one to call out his poor technique.  He will be a sitting duck against Anderson.

And the basis of this assumption is?

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[CG]

Only in fantasies at this point.  once he plays and gets out early in these conditions, you will be the first one to call out his poor technique.  He will be a sitting duck against Anderson.

Shaw is an aggressive player.He might get out early but he will score runs.

[Austin 3:!6]

10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Only in fantasies at this point.  once he plays and gets out early in these conditions, you will be the first one to call out his poor technique.  He will be a sitting duck against Anderson.

Well fantasies do come into reality sometimes. But you don't get anything if you don't try. Playing TTFs serves no purpose.