CSK Fan Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, mishra said: LOL. Never doubted his test credentials. Hope icfers can make out difference between tests and limited over cricket. They can't. Pujara Bhuvi all are rated on their LOI performances along with strike rate and speed guns Edited December 6, 2018 by CSK Fan mishra 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cricketics said: Career saving knock for Pujara. As you can see from the comments above, everyone was going for his head. To be honest, he did struggle a lot earlier. But this knock was gold and India neueded. Rhis. Hopefully he can carry on from here theough out the aeries and also knspire Rahane to score some and Rahul. 3 hours ago, mishra said: LOL. Never doubted his test credentials. Hope icfers can make out difference between tests and limited over cricket. Just because all of a sudden he starts coming with credit worthy performances doesn't change a bit the fact that he had a major role in the defeats in ENG & SAF series.That's why I for one argued that he was inadequate and that he needed to have been replaced by another better batsman long before.Not saying team management would surely have been able to find a better replacement for him, but they surely needed to make a try for finding one. To be more precise , no player should be allowed to continue, despite being far from adequate even after 7 series in SENA which exactly was Pujara's case. if allowed this is the result, I mean more series in SENA, more sure losses. That is exactly the same reason, I found Rahane to be more deserving to be part of the team than Pujara , to be more precise Rahane has far better track record( which is adequate) in SENA than Pujara.Having said that , now that Pujara is selected for this series(which at the first place I found illogical), he seems started to prove me wrong and hence I support him. But even this is a start only because consistant performance from him thru out a series in SENA is still uncertain, which only we will get to know by the end of this series.If he proves to be consistant , then it can be more or less assured that we are starting to witness the 2nd coming of Pujara and hence thoroughly deserves his place moving forward. For a start, today's knock from him was absolutely brilliant. On a side note, now Rahul has taken the role of 'earlier Pujara', it seems. Only time will tell as to how many SENA series we are going to loss because of his incompetency. Already into the 5th series in SENA ,it seems,.Still he is the same. Edited December 6, 2018 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Just because all of a sudden he starts coming with credit worthy performances doesn't change a bit the fact that he had a major role in the defeats in ENG & SAF series.That's why I for once argued that he was inadequate and that he needed to have been replaced by another better batsman long before.Not saying team management would surely have been able to find a better replacement for him, but they surely needed to make a try for finding one. To be more precise , no player should be allowed to continue, despite being far from adequate even after 7 series in SENA which exactly was Pujara's case. if allowed this is the result, I mean more series in SENA, more sure losses. That is exactly the same reason, I found Rahane to be more deserving to be part of the team than Pujara , to be more precise Rahane has far better track record( which is adequate) in SENA than Pujara.Having said that , now that Pujara is selected for this series(which at the first place I found illogical), he seems started to prove me wrong and hence I support him. But even this is a start only because consistant performance from him thru out a series in SENA is still uncertain, which only we will get to know by the end of this series.If he proves to be consistant , then it can be more or less assured that we are starting to witness the 2nd coming of Pujara and hence thoroughly deserves his place moving forward. For a start, today's knock from him was absolutely brilliant. Even the greats of the game found it difficult performing in all conditions especially in their first and second tours. Pujara is a good test batsman who is a beast in subcontinent conditions which is about 70% of the tests we play in. He has been average in the 30% of tests in SENA but then again relative to other members in team (except Kohli), he is still decent as atleast he is able to take shine off ball making it easier for middle order. Pujara is least of our worries when we have likes of Rahane, Rahul, Rohit, etc. who have been inconsistent in all conditions lately. So, firstly we should think about replacements for them, and then come to Pujara if required. Also, you cannot drop someone from test team who is very good in 70% of test matches. If you just play him in those 70% matches and play someone else in SENA countries, then it could be unsettling for both batsmen. So, as I said, Pujara is currently the least of our worries as we have many other places in Test XI which is more uncertain at present. Link to comment
Pollack Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 He just can't play the other way. He plays his own way anyway. Link to comment
mishra Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said: Just because all of a sudden he starts coming with credit worthy performances doesn't change a bit the fact that he had a major role in the defeats in ENG & SAF series.That's why I for one argued that he was inadequate and that he needed to have been replaced by another better batsman long before.Not saying team management would surely have been able to find a better replacement for him, but they surely needed to make a try for finding one. To be more precise , no player should be allowed to continue, despite being far from adequate even after 7 series in SENA which exactly was Pujara's case. if allowed this is the result, I mean more series in SENA, more sure losses. That is exactly the same reason, I found Rahane to be more deserving to be part of the team than Pujara , to be more precise Rahane has far better track record( which is adequate) in SENA than Pujara.Having said that , now that Pujara is selected for this series(which at the first place I found illogical), he seems started to prove me wrong and hence I support him. But even this is a start only because consistant performance from him thru out a series in SENA is still uncertain, which only we will get to know by the end of this series.If he proves to be consistant , then it can be more or less assured that we are starting to witness the 2nd coming of Pujara and hence thoroughly deserves his place moving forward. For a start, today's knock from him was absolutely brilliant. On a side note, now Rahul has taken the role of 'earlier Pujara', it seems. Only time will tell as to how many SENA series we are going to loss because of his incompetency. Already into the 5th series in SENA ,it seems,.Still he is the same. I have had arguements with you and others on Pujara several times before giving up. Each time my line of argument was below. 1. Head Coach wants only player who can go and smash it. He isnt that type of player. So there is pressure from head coach who is will prefer someone who can can "Smash it" 2. Captain had allready dropped him several times for his own favoirites. So it means he is expendable and that creates additional pressure on him 3. Logic that he doesnt performed at domestic level makes no sense. A player plays at different level when he has a Indian jersey on him. 4. Our openers fail consistently (100%) resulting him to be in to face 2-9 over old ball every game. Its expected for him to fave new ball but he is one dwon and dont expect to play new ball each game 5. His contribution to see off new ball is never acknowledged. Take him out and we will have Kohli facing new ball. Get Kohli out and all of sudden we are 7 down before tea on day 1. 6. Captain only selects him after we do miserable in game 1 i.e He comes to side when chips are down. I seriously believe that had Pujara played game 1 in SA and England, Overall series result would have been different. PS: Bringing Rahane Rahul in equation is meaningless. Rahul is indecisive, Rahane has regressed. Why Rahul is indecisive, I blame team management. I do not rely on averages and stats. I rely on fron foot backfoot movement and how a bat gets out. After all it takes just one brilliant ball to get someone out. And International bowlers have ability to get that one brilliant ball when they are pumped up. In test arena, simple theory is, NOT let bowler pumped up. Link to comment
Chandan Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 On 8/18/2018 at 6:01 PM, R!TTER said: He's gone girl guy, this is probably the last away tour we should see him feature in, he won't buy a run in Aus when Starc, Cummins and possibly Pattinson throw thunderbolts at him REALLY? How many people thought so? They all need to come and say sorry to Pujara openly! Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Forever Indian said: Even the greats of the game found it difficult performing in all conditions especially in their first and second tours. Pujara is a good test batsman who is a beast in subcontinent conditions which is about 70% of the tests we play in. He has been average in the 30% of tests in SENA but then again relative to other members in team (except Kohli), he is still decent as atleast he is able to take shine off ball making it easier for middle order. Pujara is least of our worries when we have likes of Rahane, Rahul, Rohit, etc. who have been inconsistent in all conditions lately. So, firstly we should think about replacements for them, and then come to Pujara if required. Also, you cannot drop someone from test team who is very good in 70% of test matches. If you just play him in those 70% matches and play someone else in SENA countries, then it could be unsettling for both batsmen. So, as I said, Pujara is currently the least of our worries as we have many other places in Test XI which is more uncertain at present. Rahane avg:s 50+ in all except ENG of SENA as of now. It is very difficult to trace out a batsman who performs such brilliantly in SENA . We have Jayant Yadav,Karun Nair,Mukund,Dhawan,Rohit and a lot of others who can perform briliantly at home, but SENA specialists are such precious. That's why even if Rahane is mediocre at home we need to persist with him.Having said that his 1st inns score is so disappointing. If he performs badly in the next 3 inns, i think it would be curtains for him. W.R.T others like Rohit,Rahul,Dhawan,Kartik,Umesh,Ishant etc I agree with you.These are lot lot more worries than Pujara at the moment. Also another thing I don't agree with you is 'Even the greats of the game found it difficult performing in all conditions especially in their first and second tours.' w.r.t this statement.Sachin,Dravid,Laxman,Ganguly,Sehwag,Gambhir all were having convincingly better track records in general in ' SENA + WI' after 2 rounds of abroad tours when taking into account their respective batting positions, general superior bowling qlty during those days etc etc. Even Zim was a force to reckon with in the late 90s. It is against that standard that I am judging Pujara. As of now only Kohli & Rahane has met that as of now. Pujara seems to have started to turn the tide from now onwards, so I will give it to him. Forever Indian 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 55 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Rahane avg:s 50+ in all except ENG of SENA as of now. It is very difficult to trace out a batsman who performs such brilliantly in SENA . We have Jayant Yadav,Karun Nair,Mukund,Dhawan,Rohit and a lot of others who can perform briliantly at home, but SENA specialists are such precious. That's why even if Rahane is mediocre at home we need to persist with him.Having said that his 1st inns score is so disappointing. If he performs badly in the next 3 inns, i think it would be curtains for him. W.R.T others like Rohit,Rahul,Dhawan,Kartik,Umesh,Ishant etc I agree with you.These are lot lot more worries than Pujara at the moment. Also another thing I don't agree with you is 'Even the greats of the game found it difficult performing in all conditions especially in their first and second tours.' w.r.t this statement.Sachin,Dravid,Laxman,Ganguly,Sehwag,Gambhir all were having convincingly better track records in general in ' SENA + WI' after 2 rounds of abroad tours when taking into account their respective batting positions, general superior bowling qlty during those days etc etc. Even Zim was a force to reckon with in the late 90s. It is against that standard that I am judging Pujara. As of now only Kohli & Rahane has met that as of now. Pujara seems to have started to turn the tide from now onwards, so I will give it to him. If Che is changing the tide one way, Rahane is changing it the other way. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 21 hours ago, Vijy said: If Che is changing the tide one way, Rahane is changing it the other way. we can wait and see , normally he should play at least 2 substantial inns in the first 4 inns this series . Other wise it can be concluded that there are some serious issues with him . Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Pujara has to get into gear 2 at least, he always remains in gear 1 slowest.... finally its the Score and average that is measured not the number of balls faced in the series. rahane and kohli can hit a century in 100 balls but this gentleman scored a 25. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 4 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said: Pujara has to get into gear 2 at least, he always remains in gear 1 slowest.... finally its the Score and average that is measured not the number of balls faced in the series. rahane and kohli can hit a century in 100 balls but this gentleman scored a 25. Pujara has all the gears, in case you missed his last 2 centuries. Rahane hitting century in 100 balls. Please let him score 100 first. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 It is high time Pujara should be made to open or some highly talented left handed rookie tested .We can't go with the current in consistant cases in Rahul and Vijay for ever. Vijay seems to be almost over with approaching 35 years old. Rahul doesn't simply have the technique to survive various conditions. When we think that, we had an opener Sunil Gavaskar that we realize as to how far from adequate Rahul is. Any way Pujara is almost always opening the inns after the fall of an early wicket. Link to comment
Number Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Sanjay Manjreker is silent. Pujara has killed the intent brigade. Edited January 3, 2019 by Number mishra, zen, velu and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, Number said: Sanjay Manjreker is silent. Pujara has killed the intent brigade. Let him fail in a couple of Tests. They'd crawl out of the woodwork moaning about his SR again. mishra 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Let him fail in a couple of Tests. They'd crawl out of the woodwork moaning about his SR again. they are awaiting in the dark, biding their time to strike. Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment
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