zen Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Hardik has played 11 tests so far. Of the 11 tests, 10 tests have been away. Out of these 10 tests, India has won 5. And in these 5 tests, Hardik, who has played in different conditions, has an avg difference (batting avg less bowling avg) of 26! View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jul 2017 Match result won match Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 3 Ordered by batting - bowling average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 10 of 10 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff HH Pandya 5 252 108 42.00 1 10 5/28 16.30 1 6 0 25.70 R Ashwin 4 147 54 36.75 0 18 5/69 27.05 1 0 0 9.69 Mohammed Shami 5 98 30 14.00 0 18 5/28 21.38 1 1 0 -7.38 UT Yadav 3 22 11* - 0 6 2/21 35.83 0 0 0 - S Dhawan 4 437 190 72.83 2 - - - - 4 0 - V Kohli 5 456 103* 65.14 2 - - - - 4 0 - CA Pujara 5 446 153 55.75 2 - - - - 4 0 - AM Rahane 5 396 132 56.57 1 - - - - 11 0 - KL Rahul 4 217 85 36.16 0 - - - - 9 0 - WP Saha 3 99 67 33.00 0 - - - - 8 2 - Also, 1 100 and 1 5-er already in his short test career in Ind's wins away Edited September 5, 2018 by zen speedheat 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 India at The Oval: Hanuma Vihari for Hardik Pandya, Ravindra Jadeja for R Ashwin? http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24585973/are-india-looking-play-debutant-oval mishra and wanted_desi 2 Link to comment
mishra Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 A allrounder gets 2 opportunity. One with bat, One with ball. So together he has allmost double the opportunity. A allrounder must be among best 4 scorers of a settled side or among best 2 bowlers of side. With pandya, I was hoping that he will increase his pace and accuracy and become a swing bowler of a quality better than Bhuvi and Shami (specially on overseas tracks) and bat better or equal to Rahane. Unfortunately, He is not showing any sign of improvement to his potential. If he cant see green shoots in next six months, He can be safely dropped. Also if there is a youngster who can bowl and bat, please drop Pandya immediately Clarke and MCcricket 1 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 As i earlier said, he is the least of the problems in this team .More severe problems like Dhawan,Rahul,Kartik,Pujara need to be solved first. zen 1 Link to comment
zen Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, rkt.india said: India at The Oval: Hanuma Vihari for Hardik Pandya, Ravindra Jadeja for R Ashwin? http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24585973/are-india-looking-play-debutant-oval So Dhawan and Rahul will open? Would like to see how Vihari does. Link to comment
zen Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: As i earlier said, he is the least of the problems in this team .More severe problems like Dhawan,Rahul,Kartik,Pujara need to be solved first. Add Rahane too to the list Link to comment
zen Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, mishra said: A allrounder gets 2 opportunity. One with bat, One with ball. So together he has allmost double the opportunity. A allrounder must be among best 4 scorers of a settled side or among best 2 bowlers of side. With pandya, I was hoping that he will increase his pace and accuracy and become a swing bowler of a quality better than Bhuvi and Shami (specially on overseas tracks) and bat better or equal to Rahane. If that happened, he would be rated as Ind's best AT player by many Link to comment
Stan AF Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) First the bowling coach should work with him on pitching deliveries on a same spot ball after ball over after over . He sprays the balls more than a broken water hose. He regularly undoes the good work done by the other bowlers in any given format. Teach him the value of line and length first and bowling fewer extras. Edited September 5, 2018 by Stan AF Link to comment
zen Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) On another note, it is good to see Ind win 5 of its last 10 tests overseas. In Kapil's days, I am not sure if Ind won 5 tests in the entire tenure. Ind won 2 in Eng in 1986. There may not be too many PS View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Home or away away (home of opposition) Match result won match Involving the player N Kapil Dev (INDIA) Ordered by matches played (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 29 of 29 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff N Kapil Dev 1981-1993 4 95 35 15.83 0 16 5/28 19.25 1 2 0 -3.41 M Azharuddin 1986-1993 3 111 33 18.50 0 - - - - 6 0 - SM Gavaskar 1981-1986 3 172 70 28.66 0 - - - - 1 0 - KS More 1986-1993 3 81 36* 27.00 0 - - - - 15 0 - DB Vengsarkar 1981-1986 3 375 126* 93.75 2 - - - - 1 0 - RMH Binny 1986-1986 2 41 26 13.66 0 11 5/40 14.27 1 2 0 -0.60 Maninder Singh 1986-1986 2 10 6 3.33 0 8 4/26 10.00 0 1 0 -6.66 RJ Shastri 1986-1986 2 56 32 18.66 0 3 1/5 25.66 0 1 0 -6.99 K Srikkanth 1986-1986 2 59 31 14.75 0 - - - - 3 0 - Edited September 5, 2018 by zen Link to comment
mishra Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, zen said: If that happened, he would be rated as Ind's best AT player by many Yes, we look for AT player. Indian team and fans can not survive with one AT player (Kohli). Allrounder has to be AT or near AT. Because he gets 4 chances. He can succed more or he will be seen failing more. Unless he wants to be a AT, i dont care if he is picked or dropped. As i said, i expected him to work hard. Saw his interview after Fiver at Trent Bridge. When asked comparison with KD , He "cockily" says "I want to remain Pandya", I was like, "abey bc, you should smile and say, I am lucky to be compared but i am nowhere near him". shashtri's cockyness is spreading on team Link to comment
zen Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mishra said: Yes, we look for AT player. Indian team and fans can not survive with one AT player (Kohli). Allrounder has to be AT or near AT. Because he gets 4 chances. He can succed more or he will be seen failing more. Unless he wants to be a AT, i dont care if he is picked or dropped. As i said, i expected him to work hard. Saw his interview after Fiver at Trent Bridge. When asked comparison with KD , He "cockily" says "I want to remain Pandya", I was like, "abey bc, you should smile and say, I am lucky to be compared but i am nowhere near him". shashtri's cockyness is spreading on team It appears as if you misconstrued what he said -> it is ok to be compared but if things go wrong the same people say that he is not KD. Which is why .... Let's not create yardsticks to ensure that a player does not measure up even if he is doing reasonably well Edited September 5, 2018 by zen Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, zen said: Add Rahane too to the list Rahane avg:s 50+ in 3 of SENA. He avg:s almost 30 in ENG too.. Vilander 1 Link to comment
zen Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Rahane avg:s 50+ in 3 of SENA. He avg:s almost 30 in ENG too.. He is a SENA specialists though so a lot more is expected from him. Has regressed this season Edited September 5, 2018 by zen Link to comment
mishra Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, zen said: It appears as if you misconstrued what he said -> it is ok to be compared but if things go wrong the same people say that he is not KD. Which is why .... Let's not create yardsticks to ensure that a player does not measure up even if he is doing reasonably well Current rate of improvement in performance is not acceptable. because it loks zero. We can allways forward his space to some batsman. MCcricket 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, zen said: He is a SENA specialists though so a lot more is expected from him. Has regressed this season Good and bad patches will allways be there. He is perfect where he is. we need is 2 openers and more gritty performance from Pandya MCcricket 1 Link to comment
zen Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mishra said: Current rate of improvement in performance is not acceptable. because it loks zero. We can allways forward his space to some batsman. First we have to optimize the 5 specialist batting slots. If the reserve is that good, he can replace one of the struggling batsmen For e.g. If Pandya is avg 25 with the bat in this series, you want the specialist to avg around 35 or more each, which is not happening. Then you bring in someone who avg 35 or more, it could help if Pandya is not bowling well. Here he won us a test with his bowling performance though Edited September 5, 2018 by zen Link to comment
vayuu1 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 56 minutes ago, zen said: Hardik has played 11 tests so far. Of the 11 tests, 10 tests have been away. Out of these 10 tests, India has won 5. And in these 5 tests, Hardik, who has played in different conditions, has an avg difference (batting avg less bowling avg) of 26! View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jul 2017 Match result won match Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 3 Ordered by batting - bowling average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 10 of 10 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff HH Pandya 5 252 108 42.00 1 10 5/28 16.30 1 6 0 25.70 R Ashwin 4 147 54 36.75 0 18 5/69 27.05 1 0 0 9.69 Mohammed Shami 5 98 30 14.00 0 18 5/28 21.38 1 1 0 -7.38 UT Yadav 3 22 11* - 0 6 2/21 35.83 0 0 0 - S Dhawan 4 437 190 72.83 2 - - - - 4 0 - V Kohli 5 456 103* 65.14 2 - - - - 4 0 - CA Pujara 5 446 153 55.75 2 - - - - 4 0 - AM Rahane 5 396 132 56.57 1 - - - - 11 0 - KL Rahul 4 217 85 36.16 0 - - - - 9 0 - WP Saha 3 99 67 33.00 0 - - - - 8 2 - Also, 1 100 and 1 5-er already in his short test career in Ind's wins away Sorry but you have to remove that R from importance Link to comment
zen Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 In the 3rd test in Eng: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team England Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jul 2017 Match result won match Ordered by batting - bowling average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 11 of 11 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff HH Pandya 1 70 52* 70.00 0 6 5/28 8.33 1 0 0 61.66 JJ Bumrah 1 0 0 0.00 0 7 5/85 17.42 1 0 0 -17.42 I Sharma 1 1 1* - 0 4 2/32 25.50 0 0 0 - R Ashwin 1 15 14 15.00 0 1 1/44 47.00 0 0 0 -31.99 Mohammed Shami 1 6 3 3.00 0 2 1/56 67.00 0 0 0 -63.99 S Dhawan 1 79 44 39.50 0 - - - - 0 0 - V Kohli 1 200 103 100.00 1 - - - - 1 0 - RR Pant 1 25 24 12.50 0 - - - - 7 0 - CA Pujara 1 86 72 43.00 0 - - - - 0 0 - AM Rahane 1 110 81 55.00 0 - - - - 1 0 - KL Rahul 1 59 36 29.50 0 - - - - 7 0 - Link to comment
mishra Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, zen said: First we have to optimize the 5 specialist batting slots. If the reserve is that good, he can replace one of the struggling batsmen For e.g. If Pandya is avg 25 with the bat in this series, you want the specialist to avg around 35 or more each, which is not happening. Then you bring in someone who avg 35 or more, it could help if Pandya is not bowling well. Here he won us a test with his bowling performance though Its not that straight forward. Kohli Rahane Chepu are our backbone. If we get runs from 3, we wont loose. But one is expected to be off form. Currently i feel, all space apart from them 3 and last few bolling postitions should be advertised by BCCI ti youngsters. Pant has filled wk postion but on probation till next 6 month MCcricket 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, zen said: He is a SENA specialists though so a lot more is expected from him. Has regressed this season if we can find 5 batsmen who are better all round batsmen to Rahane(Kohli spared ofcourse) then I am in for dropping him. But not as of now. To avg: 50+ in 3 of SENA & almost 30 in ENG is a 'Dravid like' performance Link to comment
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