India decriminalizes Homosexuality

[Muloghonto]

4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Thanks but I meant in terms of what do the modern Indian/Hindu conservatives view homosexuality as? It certainly is not in Hindu tradition to promote homosexuality but there's enough evidence that homosexuality, homoeroticism etc. were tolerated in bygone times. If Hindu conservatives are opposed to it, that's most likely a result of Hindu revivalist movements like the Arya samaj etc. Like all ancient traditions, Hinduism had a much more fluid understanding of gender and sexuality . It's only with the coming of Judaism did that understanding change. What Hindu conservatives actually support, while opposing this move, is a traditionally Judeo-Christian/Islamic understanding and that's why I asked. 

One of the biggest reasons i am against Hinduvta and RSS is because they are slaves to Islamic moral code. They dishonor our ancestors and their ways of the sex temples, open-discourse on sexuality, top-less women, etc. by taking a sharia-centric view on sexuality. 
To me, they are the asal napunsak turn-coats to the indic civilization/culture, because they seek to make the hindu women and men, in their moral code, more like arab bedouins than indians. 

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Franco Vazquez said:

I  never said they were harassing me but I have heard they have been doing and people like Kjo who are known for casting couch and then Keven Spacey too.

So you form strong opinions of people's behaviour based on some random articles you read. 
Middle eastern education was supposed to improve, not regress, after opening all these American foreign campuses....

If you want to go by real experiences of real people, the word out here is pretty universal - we straight men face far, far less harassment from gay people - even when we sit squat in the middle of the gay district and have beer in a gay bar, than ladies face from straight men weekly. 

 

So if your hatred of people are based on them forcing themselves on others, you should hate straight men way more than any other sexual orientation out there.

 

[Moochad]

5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

This is not how science works. This is how religion works. 'i am going to believe something is true till it is proven otherwise' is not science. 
I have no reason to consider that every action of ours has a genetic trigger to it. Neither do you. We have seen no evidence of genetically induced robotic behaviour in species homo sapiens. 

Sophistry at best, ignorance of science at worst. There is nothing religious about the possibility of 100% genetic determinism for a biological machine. It is a testable hypothesis which can/must be falsified before it is disregarded.  

 

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, Moochad said:

False, your statement is baseless. Culture only affects the reaction to the disease/disorder/irregularity.      

disagree. culture fundamentally biases the selection process of human case study subjects in any field that is primarily about human study. 

[Franco Vazquez]

Kevin Spacey is a gay and he was let off the hook because of that otherwise he would have been treated same way like Bill Cosby and another fresh case of gays and LGBT gundagardi is of August Ames who refused to work with a gay pornstar and people started harassing her online which led to her suicide and end of a really promising lady. There are a lot more pornstars who have died due to the same stigmatization.

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Moochad said:

Sophistry at best, ignorance of science at worst. There is nothing religious about the possibility of 100% genetic determinism for a biological machine. It is a testable hypothesis which can/must be falsified before it is disregarded.  

 

the 100% has already been falsified. 

Eg: i FORCE you to eat soy milk till your estrogen levels go through the roof. Your genetics played zero part in you being forced to drink the milk, yet the foreign substance effected a change. Ergo, not 100% biologically deterministic. 

The possibility of anything being 100% governed by one particular anything, is astronomically low. 

It is a hypothesis that requires validation before it is regarded. 

[Nikhil_cric]

2 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

One of the biggest reasons i am against Hinduvta and RSS is because they are slaves to Islamic moral code. They dishonor our ancestors and their ways of the sex temples, open-discourse on sexuality, top-less women, etc. by taking a sharia-centric view on sexuality. 
To me, they are the asal napunsak turn-coats to the indic civilization/culture, because they seek to make the hindu women and men, in their moral code, more like arab bedouins than indians. 

The RSS, as Christophe jaffrelot puts it, adopted a process of stigmatisation and emulation wherein they , through a mixture of fear and awe, adopted some of the more rigid and downright pathetic practices in Islam . Savarkar was very influenced by watching khilafatist Pathans while in prison.  

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Kevin Spacey is a gay and he was let off the hook because of that otherwise he would have been treated same way like Bill Cosby and another fresh case of gays and LGBT gundagardi is of August Ames who refused to work with a gay pornstar and people started harassing her online which led to her suicide and end of a really promising lady. There are a lot more pornstars who have died due to the same stigmatization.

pornstars dying because they got criticized for not sleeping with certain people of certain orientation....WTF are you smoking ?

 

For every kevin spacey, i will give you millions of rapists in campuses, in your own society who rape their wives, etc. that go scot free.

 

you live in a country where a man can rape his wife...nuff said. so STFU with your judgmental infantile idiocies. You are just a kid, get an education first. 

[Franco Vazquez]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

pornstars dying because they got criticized for not sleeping with certain people of certain orientation....WTF are you smoking ?

 

For every kevin spacey, i will give you millions of rapists in campuses, in your own society who rape their wives, etc. that go scot free.

 

you live in a country where a man can rape his wife...nuff said. so STFU with your judgmental infantile idiocies. You are just a kid, get an education first. 

Go read about August Ames and she tweeted something about gays which prompted negative feedback and lead to her suicide by the so-called peaceful communities. A lot of people have also lost their jobs due to their views on homosexuality 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, beetle said:

there was a study which says Study Suggests Women Are Bisexual Or Gay, But Almost Never Straight

[Muloghonto]

9 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Go read about August Ames and she tweeted something about gays which prompted negative feedback and lead to her suicide by the so-called peaceful communities. A lot of people have also lost their jobs due to their views on homosexuality 

One odd case does not make a trend. 

And yes, you should lose your job for discriminating against people's personal, private, consentual practices. If you are not tolerant, you will lose a job. simple. 

You've been caught out on lies multiple times here. So be a man and own the fact that you are peddling something because of your religious agenda. 
You claimed that YOU've been harassed/hit on by gay people and when we say how is that possible in the middle east, you say, its not you but stuff you've read- CATEGORIC LIE EXPOSED.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

 

 

no it is not, since consumption of plant hormones can directly affect individual's hormone levels, ergo hormones are not directly controlled by genes either. 

 

agree about that. eating too much soya can increase estrogen levels. what we eat does affect hormone levels. Even lifting heavy weights in the gym helps increase the testosterone levels of body builders. 

[rkt.india]

47 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

MODS please take action against Muloghonto because he keeps on attacking me on threads or if there's block option on this forum because as others have also said that Muloghonto has got this knack of getting personal and attacking when he can't force people to abide by his views.

you can put him on ignore list. There is an ignore button.

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

agree about that. eating too much soya can increase estrogen levels. what we eat does affect hormone levels. Even lifting heavy weights in the gym helps increase the testosterone levels of body builders. 

but some 'religious-mentality geneticists' will have you believe that its your genes that made you drink the milk the first place...or its your genes that got yourself captured and force-fed by me, so its your genes anyways !

[Franco Vazquez]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you can put him on ignore list. There is an ignore button.

How to do that

[Nikhil_cric]

15 minutes ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Go read about August Ames and she tweeted something about gays which prompted negative feedback and lead to her suicide by the so-called peaceful communities. A lot of people have also lost their jobs due to their views on homosexuality 

I had no idea who this person was but can you stop spreading so much misinformation? This lady suffered from bipolar depressive disorder and apparently had been sexually abused as a child.  Moreover, she was bisexual herself. Atleast know your pornstars well enough kiddo. 

[beetle]

14 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

15 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

there was a study which says Study Suggests Women Are Bisexual Or Gay, But Almost Never Straight

 

I guess I closed my options too soon then.

 

 

 

[Sachinism]

6 hours ago, beetle said:

That is at best ignorance , at worst a convenient excuse.

 

All the deviant behavior has existed despite the ban .

 

The western christian conservative group can hardly be taken as an equal rights advocate. They will have their agendas which may  be against the welfare of others.

 

The problem with 377 in India was that it criminalizes gay sex ...leaving homosexuals open to abuse from police , blackmailing . Decriminalizing takes away that .

 

 

Great post. Well put

5 hours ago, MechEng said:

This. The people who are commenting here against the SC's decision are not against homos but are against the fuel this decision will give to the LGBT propaganda. Indian people are too naive to understand the art of propaganda, or I should say majority in the world are naive when it comes to understanding how social engineering works.

Giving people some form of equality will bring propaganda? What kinda nonsensical view is this. Have you seen the comments made in this thread? The idiotic, nonsensical views people including you hold about homosexuals. I wonder where that information came from, probably propagranda fed to you. 

4 hours ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I have visited all those places and also in the UK where the media will make you believe that there are a lot of gays but in reality, I won't say that they are even 5% of the population but since Muloghonto lives in his own little bubble, Its a waste of time posting on this thread.

LOL weren't you supposed to stop posting in this thread? I live in the UK and I've never seen the media trying to make anyone believe there are a lot of gays, stop your lying.

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

women are almost always bisexual.

LMAO which study did you get that gem from?

4 hours ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Yeah it seems like you have visited a lot thats why you are still terming middle east as a jahil country whereas UAE is one of the most progressive countries in the world in every aspect. Its safe, people have rights and now please don't bring labor in this because labor is a community which is oppressed everywhere even if you go to the UK, Canada, US etc and the thing that you believe that women are oppressed here is another western propaganda just like your this whole LGBT BS. 

The middle east is jahil. Public stoning is as jahil as it gets. 

"labourers are exploited the world over, so why not just take it one step further and have actual slaves."

Now you're just being delusional if you think women aren't oppressed there. I'm not even going there as it is a whole other discussion.

 

3 hours ago, Franco Vazquez said:

Its not crying mummy or anything like that. This guy has been doing it again and again and when he can't get his viewpoint through he starts getting personal. A lot of gay people have made me feel uncomfortable because they are corny and always try to force themselves on you which if a man does to woman its regarded as harassment.

 

3 hours ago, Franco Vazquez said:

I  never said they were harassing me but I have heard they have been doing and people like Kjo who are known for casting couch and then Keven Spacey too.

These two posts tell you all you need to know about this dude's ignorance and straight up talking out of his behind. The absolute lack of logic is astounding. You bring up the example of Kevin Spacey but ignore all the straight abusers in Hollywood. You seem to have a mega fixation on gay people, as I mentioned in previous posts, if being around gay people makes you feel all different inside, maybe there's something you're suppressing. 

[Moochad]

18 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

the 100% has already been falsified. 

Eg: i FORCE you to eat soy milk till your estrogen levels go through the roof. Your genetics played zero part in you being forced to drink the milk, yet the foreign substance effected a change. Ergo, not 100% biologically deterministic. 

The possibility of anything being 100% governed by one particular anything, is astronomically low. 

It is a hypothesis that requires validation before it is regarded. 

You are lacking understanding of the issue here I think . Your entire argument comes down to an absurdity, a temporary change.   A temporary spike doesn't change the base levels of hormones, which are possibly totally genetic.  Athletes experience a temporary increase in testosterone levels after squatting. That doesn't change their baseline levels of testosterone. Stop squatting and the hormones will return to normal.  

 

In the context of this thread you are saying along the lines of, for example, a male drinks too much soy milk he turns gay because he has too much estrogen, until he stops drinking soy milk, where he will turn normal again. Yeah, that's not how this works.

 

A "hypothesis" that is very much in consideration among geneticists doesn't need validation because a "religious-minded" engineer finds it incompatible with his political beliefs. This is also a form of personal incredulity fallacy.   

Edited September 8, 2018 by Moochad

[Clarke]

everyone calm down & have cake