Hinduphobia In Secular India

[Lannister]

On 1/23/2024 at 11:47 AM, mishra said:

 

i think you are making a statement and declaring it as fact. Your statement clearly indicates that you are promoting athiesm and against religion. And therein lies the issue. You think your system is best and everyone should change to ur system. Doesn’t that sound like followers of Islam or Christianity?

 

I am going to make another claim. Take so called Democracy of West, Hypothetically assume they are developing country and there per capita income is comparable to India or hi lobal South. You will see democracy disappears overnight in thin air. 1 Billion. less than $650  per capita, struggling infrastructure , strong external attempt to divide them , but India is standing.

 

Hindus are inherently democratic because they have learning from life of Ram,. Even u haent read constitution because u don’t need to read constitution to find out diffrence between right and wrong

Exactly. I am making a case against religion by offering evidence from historical and ongoing events. No matter which religious society you scrutinize, it is a society marked by human suffering, evil, and moral decay.

[mishra]

15 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Exactly. I am making a case against religion by offering evidence from historical and ongoing events. No matter which religious society you scrutinize, it is a society marked by human suffering, evil, and moral decay.

Question is no one says, Christianity is way of life for Europe or Islam is way of life for Middle east. Hindusim is way of life. Now (For arguement sake), athiest start arguing that Islam and Christinity say, "earth is flat", and then conclude that Hinduism must be seen as religion and conclude Hinduism is wrong to say "Earth is flat" while athiest knew earth was round  when fact is, Newton , Copernicus and rest were all Christians.

 

PS:All modern legal system and moral standards has come from reiigion

Edited January 24 by mishra

[Lannister]

4 hours ago, mishra said:

Question is no one says, Christianity is way of life for Europe or Islam is way of life for Middle east. Hindusim is way of life. Now (For arguement sake), athiest start arguing that Islam and Christinity say, "earth is flat", and then conclude that Hinduism must be seen as religion and conclude Hinduism is wrong to say "Earth is flat" while athiest knew earth was round  when fact is, Newton , Copernicus and rest were all Christians.

 

PS:All modern legal system and moral standards has come from reiigion

For their followers, all religions are seen as way of life. Yours is as much as bad as Christianity and Islam, and theirs is as flawed as your religion.

[mishra]

25 minutes ago, Lannister said:

For their followers, all religions are seen as way of life. Yours is as much as bad as Christianity and Islam, and theirs is as flawed as your religion.

Who said so? Find one statement that says Islam is way of life and not just a religion for middle eastern people or Christinity is way of life for European, because its not. Romans / Greece(Europe) and Iranian, Egyptions (Mid east) had a way of life that had many gods and belief system. If you can afford, visit these countries and relics. You will realise that early ones all lived and worshipped their local trees, stones, land animals. Its survived at ours, It didnt survive under followers of two religions and so called athiest Europeans who converted latin America.

@Muloghonto Is more leaned person when it comes to all these. I am only saying it based on personal experience and tour guides views in some of Mid east or european countries

Edited January 24 by mishra

[coffee_rules]

29 minutes ago, Lannister said:

For their followers, all religions are seen as way of life. Yours is as much as bad as Christianity and Islam, and theirs is as flawed as your religion.

For Hindus , even the SC has commented that it is a way of life, religion is an offshoot of it. For Abrahamics, especially Islam, religion or god is supreme, way of life is an offshoot of religion. Banks or Financial industry has a monopoly of Jews because  profit from interest  is considered a sin/Haram in Christianity/Islam. Hence Jews were allowed to lend money in medieval Europe/ME. Religion trumps over way of life. No such thing in Hinduism. Intelligent atheists should know the difference between religions. 

Edited January 24 by coffee_rules

[mishra]

4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

For Hindus , even the SC has commented that it is a way of life, religion is an offshoot of it. For Abrahamics, especially Islam, religion or god is supreme, way of life is an offshoot of religion. Banks or Financial industry has a monopoly of Jews because  profit from interest  is considered a sin/Haram in Christianity/Islam. Hence Jews were allowed to lend money in medieval Europe/ME. Religion trumps over way of life. No such thing in Hinduism. Intelligent atheists should know the difference between religions. 

Exactly, REligion was imposed on them by conquests, brute force. By the way what about Native Indians. Has Christinity been imposed on them or they still mostly follow their way of life?

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

For their followers, all religions are seen as way of life. Yours is as much as bad as Christianity and Islam, and theirs is as flawed as your religion.

Typical leftie cope of ' all religins are just as much bad' , when in reality, hinduism, buddhism, jainism, sikhism etc. are far better than christianity, islam and leftist ideologies - we have far less blood on our hands than the practitioners of these ideologies. 

Have you read all the religious books to come to the conclusion of ' all religions are just as bad/just as flawed' ? if not, then your position = unsubstantiated belief. 

 

[putrevus]

You cannot say one religion is better than other. In India every man has a right to follow any religion or  they are free to not follow any religion.Why are so called liberals against hindus practising their own religion.

 

Hinduism never preaches against any religion.That is the greatness of hinduism IMO.

 

Hindus are allowed to build temples and worship in them.Why should majority of population live in fear of persecution.I find it very disturbing that people are against this ram temple.

Edited January 24 by putrevus

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Typical leftie cope of ' all religins are just as much bad' , when in reality, hinduism, buddhism, jainism, sikhism etc. are far better than christianity, islam and leftist ideologies - we have far less blood on our hands than the practitioners of these ideologies. 

Have you read all the religious books to come to the conclusion of ' all religions are just as bad/just as flawed' ? if not, then your position = unsubstantiated belief. 

 

Wrong..  RWingers in west call Hindus Satan worshippers,  Uncivilized Pagans etc... 

It's not RW v LW debate at all. 

 

Though Hinduism is indeed much better than every religion.  There is no contest. 

Only religion fit enough to be relevant in modern world. 

 

 

[Lannister]

6 hours ago, mishra said:

Who said so? Find one statement that says Islam is way of life and not just a religion for middle eastern people or Christinity is way of life for European, because its not. Romans / Greece(Europe) and Iranian, Egyptions (Mid east) had a way of life that had many gods and belief system. If you can afford, visit these countries and relics. You will realise that early ones all lived and worshipped their local trees, stones, land animals. Its survived at ours, It didnt survive under followers of two religions and so called athiest Europeans who converted latin America.

@Muloghonto Is more leaned person when it comes to all these. I am only saying it based on personal experience and tour guides views in some of Mid east or european countries

What do you imply by "way of life" in your religion? There's a set of beliefs, values, and practices common to every other religion. We atheists also have our own way of life, which does not revolve around the claims of god.

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Wrong..  RWingers in west call Hindus Satan worshippers,  Uncivilized Pagans etc... 

It's not RW v LW debate at all. 

 

Though Hinduism is indeed much better than every religion.  There is no contest. 

Only religion fit enough to be relevant in modern world. 

 

 

Yes, abrahamics call their own sects as satanic and demon worshipper crap. I means that the lefties, who are a western invented deadbeat dad (marx) and rich white racist (Engels) lump all religions the same. Because it the kind of generalisation that they can cope with, else they will be stuck with the conclusion that paganism is better than leftism in results.

 

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

You cannot say one religion is better than other. 

Ofcourse we can. Its like saying we cannot say one government is better than the other. There are objective parameters that are relevant: tolerance of differing opinion, tolerance of sects, violence towards non believers/challengers, impact of religion over laws of the land, propensity for mass eviction/genocide/war on religious basis. 

These are all objective parameters to evaluate religions on. 

 

Religion is there to serve mankind. Not the other way round- if man is there to serve religion, then we would need an objective, agreeable live miraculous proof of said religion for us to override our innate moral compass and bow to said religion. And by the innate moral compass of mankind, the abrahamic religions are as close to pure evil as one gets, followed by leftist ideology ( as leftism is a child of abrahamic religions), because, action speaks louder than words. 

 

[Lannister]

16 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

For Hindus , even the SC has commented that it is a way of life, religion is an offshoot of it. For Abrahamics, especially Islam, religion or god is supreme, way of life is an offshoot of religion. Banks or Financial industry has a monopoly of Jews because  profit from interest  is considered a sin/Haram in Christianity/Islam. Hence Jews were allowed to lend money in medieval Europe/ME. Religion trumps over way of life. No such thing in Hinduism. Intelligent atheists should know the difference between religions. 

Religion involves affirming the existence of a creator or god, engaging in worship, and the presence of mythological stories. This is a fundamental aspect of every religion, including Hinduism.

 

Every ideology is essentially a way of life.

[Muloghonto]

25 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Religion involves affirming the existence of a creator or god, engaging in worship, and the presence of mythological stories. This is a fundamental aspect of every religion, including Hinduism.

 

Every ideology is essentially a way of life.

Thats as assinine as saying government includes making policy, enforcing the laws and defending one's borders. Ergo, all forms of governments are the same, if all religions are the same. 

#RetardedLeftieMentality. 

 

But then again, i dont expect any better than morally inferior ones than us. 

 

[putrevus]

12 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Ofcourse we can. Its like saying we cannot say one government is better than the other. There are objective parameters that are relevant: tolerance of differing opinion, tolerance of sects, violence towards non believers/challengers, impact of religion over laws of the land, propensity for mass eviction/genocide/war on religious basis. 

These are all objective parameters to evaluate religions on. 

 

Religion is there to serve mankind. Not the other way round- if man is there to serve religion, then we would need an objective, agreeable live miraculous proof of said religion for us to override our innate moral compass and bow to said religion. And by the innate moral compass of mankind, the abrahamic religions are as close to pure evil as one gets, followed by leftist ideology ( as leftism is a child of abrahamic religions), because, action speaks louder than words. 

 

Wow , first understand the principles of Hinduism.

 

 

[mishra]

15 hours ago, Lannister said:

What do you imply by "way of life" in your religion? There's a set of beliefs, values, and practices common to every other religion. We atheists also have our own way of life, which does not revolve around the claims of god.

Just one, Simple example for common man. Life is divided in 4 parts. I am sure you are in Grihastha or Bhramcharya part. Definition is there what to achieve during that part. Why i guessed you are in that part, simply by type of arguement you are putting. One day you will reach into forth part (If you are lucky enough). By then you will understand what I am saying.

 

For details: Attend few satsang, Problem is that, for someone to attend a  Satsang, that person must first learn how to listen a view.

[mishra]

5 hours ago, Lannister said:

Religion involves affirming the existence of a creator or god, engaging in worship, and the presence of mythological stories. This is a fundamental aspect of every religion, including Hinduism.

 

Every ideology is essentially a way of life.

WHat is mythological about Hinduism, when KK Muhammad confirms that he found existence of Dwaraka, while Kurukshetra exists Ayodhya exists, Chitrakoot exists, Lanka exists, If you understand the concept of plate techtonic theory, you will accept that Ram Sethu was scietifically possible.

Ideology is not same as philosophy. We are interested in philosophy, Spitualism, and we are trying to reach that goal via various paths, while most are interested in ideology, including athiest

Edited January 25 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

6 hours ago, putrevus said:

Wow , first understand the principles of Hinduism.

 

 

That is a throwaway comment, which has nothing to do with principles of hinduism, neither does it refute my points. 

 

[Lannister]

19 hours ago, mishra said:

Just one, Simple example for common man. Life is divided in 4 parts. I am sure you are in Grihastha or Bhramcharya part. Definition is there what to achieve during that part. Why i guessed you are in that part, simply by type of arguement you are putting. One day you will reach into forth part (If you are lucky enough). By then you will understand what I am saying.

 

For details: Attend few satsang, Problem is that, for someone to attend a  Satsang, that person must first learn how to listen a view.

Why do you think life consists of four phases? Life is a continuous journey. Perhaps there are better ways to lead a fulfilling life than what religion prescribes.

[Lannister]

21 hours ago, mishra said:

WHat is mythological about Hinduism, when KK Muhammad confirms that he found existence of Dwaraka, while Kurukshetra exists Ayodhya exists, Chitrakoot exists, Lanka exists, If you understand the concept of plate techtonic theory, you will accept that Ram Sethu was scietifically possible.

Ideology is not same as philosophy. We are interested in philosophy, Spitualism, and we are trying to reach that goal via various paths, while most are interested in ideology, including athiest

If your religion asserts the existence of a god, then every facet of your belief structure is categorized as mythology. In atheist terms, a fictional story.