Mohammed Siraj is a quality pace bowling prospect

[vaul]

28 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Neither is Siraj.  I watched him bowl against punjab, while his numbers look good anyone who watched the game knows he wasnt impressive. 

In that match Gill played exceptionally well. Siraj forced the match to draw by getting Gill out,and did not allow other Punjab batsmen to reach target,otherwise,Punjab could have won.

[Pandya_Power]

The problem with Siraj is his wrist position just before release. Its not right behind the ball (in fact its diagonally pointing to first slip). The problem was clearly evident in this game especially when he was bowling from the end with the camera angle from behind the keeper. 

Failure to keep the wrist vertical before release implies that he won't be able to "snap" his wrists, which is crucial to extract seam movement. This is also the reason why he strays down the legside / loses his line very often.

[jf1gp_1]

27 minutes ago, vaul said:

In that match Gill played exceptionally well. Siraj forced the match to draw by getting Gill out,and did not allow other Punjab batsmen to reach target,otherwise,Punjab could have won.

he just got lucky. 

[rkt.india]

21 minutes ago, Pandya_Power said:

The problem with Siraj is his wrist position just before release. Its not right behind the ball (in fact its diagonally pointing to first slip). The problem was clearly evident in this game especially when he was bowling from the end with the camera angle from behind the keeper. 

Failure to keep the wrist vertical before release implies that he won't be able to "snap" his wrists, which is crucial to extract seam movement. This is also the reason why he strays down the legside / loses his line very often.

He does get seam movement. You need watch his bowling for India A last year. England, WI, SA, Aus picked wickets against everyone.

[jf1gp_1]

37 minutes ago, Pandya_Power said:

The problem with Siraj is his wrist position just before release. Its not right behind the ball (in fact its diagonally pointing to first slip). The problem was clearly evident in this game especially when he was bowling from the end with the camera angle from behind the keeper. 

Failure to keep the wrist vertical before release implies that he won't be able to "snap" his wrists, which is crucial to extract seam movement. This is also the reason why he strays down the legside / loses his line very often.

right or wrong thats an impressive analysis. the usual analysis of this forum is rhiti sport has/hasnt picked up hence he is bowling well or garbage. 

[vaul]

42 minutes ago, Pandya_Power said:

The problem with Siraj is his wrist position just before release. Its not right behind the ball (in fact its diagonally pointing to first slip). The problem was clearly evident in this game especially when he was bowling from the end with the camera angle from behind the keeper. 

Failure to keep the wrist vertical before release implies that he won't be able to "snap" his wrists, which is crucial to extract seam movement. This is also the reason why he strays down the legside / loses his line very often.

Seam movement depends primarily upon roughness of pitch surface instead of wrist position.On flat smooth surface ball wont seam at all.Wrist position is important for swing,which he gets with new ball.Every bowler has tendency to stray form line and length.Siraj has pace,bounce and stamina to succeed in test.

[ShoonyaSifar]

2 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Neither is Siraj.  I watched him bowl against punjab, while his numbers look good anyone who watched the game knows he wasnt impressive. 

7/150 in the match. Pulled the match back for Hyderabad. Was the best bowler in the match

[jf1gp_1]

28 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

7/150 in the match. Pulled the match back for Hyderabad. Was the best bowler in the match

Did you watch match ?

[ShoonyaSifar]

39 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Did you watch match ?

Yes I did, and you?

[ExtremeBrainfade]

2 hours ago, Pandya_Power said:

The problem with Siraj is his wrist position just before release. Its not right behind the ball (in fact its diagonally pointing to first slip). The problem was clearly evident in this game especially when he was bowling from the end with the camera angle from behind the keeper. 

Failure to keep the wrist vertical before release implies that he won't be able to "snap" his wrists, which is crucial to extract seam movement. This is also the reason why he strays down the legside / loses his line very often.

With good coaching, can this be fixed?  Or is it one of those forever habits?  

[jf1gp_1]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Yes I did, and you?

How without watching would i feel he got lucky and could have done better. 

 

Anyhow between him and khaleel i expect more from khaleel

[rkt.india]

43 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

How without watching would i feel he got lucky and could have done better. 

 

Anyhow between him and khaleel i expect more from khaleel

Both have potential but different formats. Khaleel has potential in LOIs. Siraj in tests. Here many people are so quick to write off youngsters who are still improving.

[jf1gp_1]

46 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Both have potential but different formats. Khaleel has potential in LOIs. Siraj in tests. Here many people are so quick to write off youngsters who are still improving.

First you want a person to gain experience. Once he gains experience then you want him to mentor, when he is mentoring full swing then you want him to retire 

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

First you want a person to gain experience. Once he gains experience then you want him to mentor, when he is mentoring full swing then you want him to retire 

Mentoring can be done even after retirement. You cant just be picked in the squad for mentoring.

[Pandya_Power]

21 hours ago, ExtremeBrainfade said:

With good coaching, can this be fixed?  Or is it one of those forever habits?  

Of course it can be fixed. Even seasoned bowlers sometimes get into bad habits. It will require focused attention from the coaching staff. 

 

On 7/27/2019 at 4:55 AM, rkt.india said:

He does get seam movement. You need watch his bowling for India A last year. England, WI, SA, Aus picked wickets against everyone.

My contention wasn't that he doesn't seam the ball at all. He is afterall in the A squad and must be decent. I was merely highlighting what's currently missing in his bowling,imo.

 

Its definitely possible to extract seam without the wrists behind perfectly behind the ball (the ball has to just land on the seam and hit the unevenness on the surface). However its not likely to be consistent. You increase your chances of consistently seaming the ball by having your wrists behind the ball (perfectly vertical with a loose grip on the ball and snapping the wrists to impart "revs" on the ball just before release). Mohd. Asif, Sreesanth, Jimmy Anderson, Matthew Hoggard and even Flintoff were great examples. The other benefit of the wrist position is that you have much greater control over your line - this is definitely a problem with Siraj. Check his ODI debut, IPL performances and even this match against WI A. Strays down leg-side way too often for my liking. 

 

Swing is a totally different issue - and wasn't discussed at all in my prev post. 

[velu]

On 7/27/2019 at 1:21 AM, Jimmy Cliff said:

He'd be picked in T20Is soon enough and his slower balls will get tonked for fun .

 

thala punished him in bangalore last time ..

still remember thalas six of siraj ..

[kubrickian]

On 7/27/2019 at 3:30 AM, rkt.india said:

Both Siraj and Saini should have played Afghan test last year.  lack of foresight and vision is appalling.

In Indian cricket, everyone is scared of losing their jobs, so they take the safest options possible to ensure wins and dont plan for long term. This includes Kohli as well. He is very conservative in selections and strategy.

Edited July 28, 2019 by kubrickian