EnterTheVoid Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 The rot started when we lost Gligit Baltistan all those years ago. It's been downhill since then onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 On 8/7/2019 at 6:18 PM, sandeep said: Its not that they are not practical. They are. They are simply not able to determine their own fate. If 'peace' is made between India and Pakistan, then how will the Pakistan military mafia justify looting their awaam? Peace is not an option for the mafia. That is why they need to keep the awaam brainwashed, by claiming that Indians are Nazis and racist. If there is even a chance of some peace deal between India and Pakistan, you can bet there will be multiple terrorist attacks all over India, and even Pakistan. The PakMil mafia has killed its own people innumerable times, to maintain its control over that 'country. @Number You probably had good intentions when creating this thread -but I will bet a $1000 that no Pakistani will ever have the courage to accept this simple fact. They cannot - its too powerful an urge to blindly circle the wagons and support the flag and uniform - even if the thug wearing the uniform is slowly sucking the country dry. Logic can never triumph over the tribal instinct of hating the 'other'. Its just the human condition. The only reason we had Kashmir was because Pakistan in 1947 thought that they could repeat history and do raids like Ghzani Ghouri Taimur, Babar and so on. You may laugh at naivity of idea now, but in 1947, this was what they really trully believed in. Now a days Ghazawe Hind has become a joke but still, their Madarsas and kids are taught by their Junata how to purify Indian land. Now they seem to have understood that they can’t raid India but its not easy for them to correct the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, EnterTheVoid said: The rot started when we lost Gligit Baltistan all those years ago. It's been downhill since then onwards. Read William Brown. His book ( most likely MI-6 redacted diary of his ) has given a hnt of why Gilgit Baltistan still belongs to United Kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 hours ago, sandeep said: I'm way more pessimistic. The next 'spectacular' will see PakMil and its minions work extra hard to try and make it appear "homegrown" terror instead of Pak-sponsored. And its not too far away. I am not expecting that they will stop causing the trouble completely but local and Pakistani support to terrorism in Kashmir are like 2 wheels of a vehicle. We saw no uprising like the ones in 2008 or 2016 after 5 Aug 2019, as a result Pakistan is singing peace tunes and militancy is on a massive decline. We have been to some degree successful in breaking the chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: Missing is how many security personnel we lost. How many Pulwama were averted More important than number of incidents is number of "attempts" at incidents. Incidents show our preparedness or lack of ( viz the perpatrators) , attempts show the intention of the enemy. While I feel that losing even a single soldier is painful, the losses to our forces in gunfights, grenade lobbing or during encounters have declined by at least 70% (going by a report of MHA) in last one and a half year. My point is that local support to militancy is on decline and slowly both Pakistan and seperstists in valley are getting it into their heads that cause they were pursuing is a lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Think the reality is slowly setting in. It was so important to remove article 370 and that glimmer of hope. India will also have to let go off PoK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Now is time to slowly build dams in both Afghanistan and India to choke them in a different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Think the reality is slowly setting in. It was so important to remove article 370 and that glimmer of hope. India will also have to let go off PoK. Amit shah GOAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 From the leadership of India there should be no ambiguity that Kashmir is part of India. It will take generations to settle in but who cares. G_B_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondSlip Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 17 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: The rot started when we lost Gligit Baltistan all those years ago. It's been downhill since then onwards. Local Gilgitis rebelled against the Dogra rulers under a British Major. That territory was never a part of India. We were on our way to annex it but Mountbatten forced Nehru to go the to United Nations for a ceasefire. We had the enemies on their knees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 The whole of Kashmir should have been partitioned just like Punjab and Bengal along religious lines. There would have be much more peace in the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 On Fri Mar 12 2021 at 2:45 AM, SecondSlip said: Local Gilgitis rebelled against the Dogra rulers under a British Major. That territory was never a part of India. We were on our way to annex it but Mountbatten forced Nehru to go the to United Nations for a ceasefire. We had the enemies on their knees No it was not that simple.. GB is a huge chunk of mountainous area & entire Kashmir war was well onto its 2nd year. It would have taken massive effort still to get that land back with Public heavily Anti India & Pakistani would have thrown Kitchen sink as well.. It was not worth it at the time. Only time when we had a real shot at it was Kargil when Atal Bihari pussied out as he wanted to respect LoC ROFL. Pakistan was well on its knees then.. In 71 ruskies would have never allowed us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: No it was not that simple.. GB is a huge chunk of mountainous area & entire Kashmir war was well onto its 2nd year. It would have taken massive effort still to get that land back with Public heavily Anti India & Pakistani would have thrown Kitchen sink as well.. It was not worth it at the time. Only time when we had a real shot at it was Kargil when Atal Bihari pussied out as he wanted to respect LoC ROFL. Pakistan was well on its knees then.. In 71 ruskies would have never allowed us. An article in the caravan states that Soviets were firmly behind us, Cabinet was in favor and it was Indira's personal call to not push further at the Western front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Clarke said: An article in the caravan states that Soviets were firmly behind us, Cabinet was in favor and it was Indira's personal call to not push further at the Western front. There were a lot of permutation & combinations back then. CIA was as far as willing to get China involved in case India did any big action on Western front. Overall 71 was a pre planned victory for India done smartly. 65 was more like a Stalemate with Pakistan suffering more. 99 will always be a missed opportunity. Should've called out Pakistan's nuclear bluff.. Which was in his infancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) The China confrontation may have finally woken them up. If we're ready to keep up with the dragon to defend our territory, what hope does the markhor have with its ambitions ? There's also the flop show of kaali daal & his govt's theatrics. No one paid heed to all the noise they made about scrapping 370 and moreover the traditional handouts from the middle east started to slip once kaali daal tried to act tough. It's all good fun when a kid lectures an elder in a bollywood film (deewar!) but it doesn't quite work that way in real life, especially with the Arabs. Edited March 14, 2021 by Clarke ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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