Bhajji gets edgy

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yea but fact check thats not the case.....he lost his place due to injury

A lil bit of fact checking never hurt but saves from embarrassment 

All your so called all rounders and batsman are falling by the wayside. Pride is still strong.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, Khota said:

All your so called all rounders and batsman are falling by the wayside. Pride is still strong.

really 

If i remeber ben stokes played one of the best knocks recently 

Krunal pandya has won MOM in every overseas series 

Ur All rounder dont exsist thread was put to shame in WC 

[Khota]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

really 

If i remeber ben stokes played one of the best knocks recently 

Krunal pandya has won MOM in every overseas series 

Ur All rounder dont exsist thread was put to shame in WC 

My allrounder thread is a decade ahead of time. Your simple brain does not process what I have said. Baseball used to have allrounders and they abandoned it because mathematically they figured out it does not work. Cricket will do so too but change is slow. Like I said your knowledge of sports at higher level is very poor. And baseball is light years ahead of cricket.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Khota said:

My allrounder thread is a decade ahead of time. Your simple brain does not process what I have said. Baseball used to have allrounders and they abandoned it because mathematically they figured out it does not work. Cricket will do so too but change is slow. Like I said your knowledge of sports at higher level is very poor. And baseball is light years ahead of cricket.

Surely ahead of its time....it ll come into implementation post apocalypse 

Coz as of now if u look every team has 2-3 

 

So watch baseball.......its a diff sport. 

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Surely ahead of its time....it ll come into implementation post apocalypse 

Coz as of now if u look every team has 2-3 

 

So watch baseball.......its a diff sport. 

I will watch anything I feel like. There aren't 2-3 in every team. India had 0 and the result is 2-0.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Khota said:

I will watch anything I feel like. There aren't 2-3 in every team. India had 0 and the result is 2-0.

Dont talk like shastri as if opp was some 1980s WI .....It was WI of today  ...we wud have won with even binny 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

13 hours ago, Khota said:

Ashwin when started out was fine. Ashwin was the worst spinner in CT. Ashwin probabaly is not even the top 5 spinner in India right now. I will pick Nadeem over him anytime. Harbhajan low was never that low. Agreed on Kumble, he was the best.

Nonsense. Pure, utter nonsense. Ashwin has been a far superior spinner than Bhajji day in and day out. As for picking Nadeem over him, that’s pretty much nonsense. Dartbhajans low is way lower than Ashwin. Pakistan tour for eg. 

[Khota]

50 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Nonsense. Pure, utter nonsense. Ashwin has been a far superior spinner than Bhajji day in and day out. As for picking Nadeem over him, that’s pretty much nonsense. Dartbhajans low is way lower than Ashwin. Pakistan tour for eg. 

Harbhajan was never the worst spinner in CT. Ashwin has a huge identity crisis.

[Khota]

8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Dont talk like shastri as if opp was some 1980s WI .....It was WI of today  ...we wud have won with even binny 

 

 

And Vihari had no contribution?

[Muloghonto]

11 minutes ago, Khota said:

Harbhajan was never the worst spinner in CT. Ashwin has a huge identity crisis.

One tournament does not make or break a player. Harbhajan has had far worse test series than Ashwin and unlike Ashwin he was never a #1 rated ODI bowler either. Harbhajan is nowhere near Ashwin as a bowler

[Khota]

45 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

One tournament does not make or break a player. Harbhajan has had far worse test series than Ashwin and unlike Ashwin he was never a #1 rated ODI bowler either. Harbhajan is nowhere near Ashwin as a bowler

That is a opinion. Ashwin is a plain mediocre bowler and nothing else.

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Khota said:

That is a opinion. Ashwin is a plain mediocre bowler and nothing else.

Ashwin was ranked #1 in ODIs and Tests. That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. Bhajji was not. Also facts. If Ashwin with his massively superior record is mediocre, then Bhajji was even worse. Simple.

[Khota]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Ashwin was ranked #1 in ODIs and Tests. That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. Bhajji was not. Also facts. If Ashwin with his massively superior record is mediocre, then Bhajji was even worse. Simple.

Explain massively superior record?

[Vilander]

8 minutes ago, Khota said:

Explain massively superior record?

are you contesting massively or superior record ?

[Vilander]

what harbhajan is doing is ugly. just because a player replaced him in the team he reserves a grudge, its unbecoming. 

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

Explain massively superior record?

More wickets per match , superior strike rate, average, five fors , ten fors, superior home average, superior away average, superior record vs all teams played by both, except Australia ( where it’s close- Bhajji averages 29.95 vs Oz, Ravi averages 31.89), superior average in every single country played by both except South Africa. Ashwin has superior consistency rate too: has 6/8 seasons averaging under 30 with the ball( 5 of which are average of 25 or under ), while Bhajji only has 4/16 seasons averaging under 30, with only 3 averaging 25 or under.

 

All this translates to massively superior record as Ashwin has a superior record to Bhajji in almost every category.

[Khota]

11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

More wickets per match , superior strike rate, average, five fors , ten fors, superior home average, superior away average, superior record vs all teams played by both, except Australia ( where it’s close- Bhajji averages 29.95 vs Oz, Ravi averages 31.89), superior average in every single country played by both except South Africa. Ashwin has superior consistency rate too: has 6/8 seasons averaging under 30 with the ball( 5 of which are average of 25 or under ), while Bhajji only has 4/16 seasons averaging under 30, with only 3 averaging 25 or under.

 

All this translates to massively superior record as Ashwin has a superior record to Bhajji in almost every category.

Harbhajan was sharing his work load with the best spinner of all times. Ashwin did not do that. harbhajan was never the worst bowler in any important tournament. Ashwin was.

[Muloghonto]

22 minutes ago, Khota said:

Harbhajan was sharing his work load with the best spinner of all times. Ashwin did not do that. harbhajan was never the worst bowler in any important tournament. Ashwin was.

Sharing workloads with world class bowlers almost always produces superior averages but lower wickets/match. This is provable by numerous analysis. You are not helping Bhajji cause here. Being the worst bowler for a week or two of his career doesn’t change the fact that Ashwin is head and shoulders above Bhajji as a bowler over their careers and dominates Bhajji in almost every measurable criteria. 

[Gollum]

4 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

One tournament does not make or break a player. Harbhajan has had far worse test series than Ashwin and unlike Ashwin he was never a #1 rated ODI bowler either. Harbhajan is nowhere near Ashwin as a bowler

 

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

More wickets per match , superior strike rate, average, five fors , ten fors, superior home average, superior away average, superior record vs all teams played by both, except Australia ( where it’s close- Bhajji averages 29.95 vs Oz, Ravi averages 31.89), superior average in every single country played by both except South Africa. Ashwin has superior consistency rate too: has 6/8 seasons averaging under 30 with the ball( 5 of which are average of 25 or under ), while Bhajji only has 4/16 seasons averaging under 30, with only 3 averaging 25 or under.

 

All this translates to massively superior record as Ashwin has a superior record to Bhajji in almost every category.

 

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Sharing workloads with world class bowlers almost always produces superior averages but lower wickets/match. This is provable by numerous analysis. You are not helping Bhajji cause here. Being the worst bowler for a week or two of his career doesn’t change the fact that Ashwin is head and shoulders above Bhajji as a bowler over their careers and dominates Bhajji in almost every measurable criteria. 

Couldn't resist from posting, mulo you are wasting your time arguing with an idiot. Single-handedly brings down average posting quality on ICF. 

 

To add to your well made points, if Ashwin had a forgettable tournament (2017 CT) he also had ICC tournaments where he was the best (2014 WT20 LINK) or among the best...more MOMs in these big events including must win encounters. Made an impact immediately in 2011 WC QF against Australia, 2015 WC where he finished as one of the best (contrast with Kul-Cha in 2019 edition), in CT 2013 edition he had a big role in our win in the final defending a low total with the best spell of the match. 

 

Another point to be noted is Harbhajan relied a lot on doosra (early phase of his career) and when ICC clampdown on chucking became strict he was exposed as a bang mediocre bowler. No matter what anyone says doosra can't be bowled legally. Dartbhajan's darts cost us many straightforward victories in the late 2000s even in the subcontinent which meant that despite being a tremendous team in SENA we barely latched on to the #1 spot  and lost it immediately after our first overseas catastrophe. And did I mention his act of chickening out in Nagpur 2004 or England 2011? Always been a meek, petty fellow, his SM antics just expose what an insecure person he is. 

 

Even if Ashwin doesn't play another match for India his legacy is secured, 7 test MOS is no laughing matter. Earlier we were difficult to beat at home, post Ashwin's initiation we started ruthlessly stomping opponents at home, no more 1-0 business, we learnt how to dish out whitewashes, 4-0 beatings...mantra behind our #1 rank and high rating points. Our most underrated victory came in SL in 2015 after 22 years (from 0-1 down against the last high quality Lankan team) where Ash dominated Sanga and got MOS. I call that series win important because we were #7 in the rankings, inexperienced, going through a bad phase, we backed that with a thumping over SA who had been on a 9 years unbeaten overseas run (again guess who was MOS? ) -> kickstarted our rise to the top and from then on no looking back.

 

But hey why let facts come in the way? In a world where ARs do not exist and Nadeem better than a former #1 ranked bowler. 

 

PS: Khota don't quote me, only so much drivel a person can handle in a lifetime. 

Edited September 12, 2019 by Gollum

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, Khota said:

And Vihari had no contribution?

How does vihari contributing make WI a better side

If his n pandya comparison has to be made we need to see how he does n SA, eng, aus ....aus his contribution was not much.