Express bowlers are born, not made, like this one.

[Vilander]

3 minutes ago, First class said:

That's good, the lad looks tall , strong and fit , can become a real good fast bowler. I would like to know more about him, what he is up to, from cricketing perspective ? What's his pace ? 

dude honestly. Saheen 'sofa set' afridi and Hasnain 'smiling assassin 'Mohd. are exciting talent for pak. be happy. India got its own , there is Prasidh,Mavi,Nagar,Avesh etc who all hit 150, Ind has every variety of pace now in senior team, A team and hopefuls. Last year u19 had the fastest bowlers Mavi and Nagar who hit 149kph in that WC. So no dearth of pace, that argument of pak people wont fly anymore, make peace with it. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, First class said:

That's good, the lad looks tall , strong and fit , can become a real good fast bowler. I would like to know more about him, what he is up to, from cricketing perspective ? What's his pace ? 

There are three lads in this post which one are you talking about.

[Rightarmfast]

3 hours ago, Pandya_Power said:

If this kid was so good, why didn't he and that other 6' 5" dude not feature in the starting XI against India in the WC - must win game for Pak?

 

Fact is they are average. 

 

Why didnt Shami play against NewZealand in WC match? Does that also mean he is bang average?

[ExtremeBrainfade]

Got to be born *and* made.

 

You can take a diamond in the rough and make it shine.  You can't take a coal in the rough and make it shine no matter how much you try.  

[Pandya_Power]

3 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Why didnt Shami play against NewZealand in WC match? Does that also mean he is bang average?

Team combination didn;t permit playing 3 pacers. In Pakistan's case, you didn't need to be a Nostradamus to predict what figures he would return with. Given how horrible of a series Shaheen was having upto that point & in the series prior to WC, I'd say they were hiding him - with good reason in hindsight. The kid might have been damaged goods if he came across Rohit that day. Look at what happened with Hassan - pretty sure his career is on its last legs.

[Pandya_Power]

Stop trying to defend the indefensible, the kid is not International material as things stand. He has been found wanting every time he has bowled against Intl class batsmen. 

[First class]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

There are three lads in this post which one are you talking about.

I saw them in a rush , I only saw  only Mohsin Khan , the other didn't download due to slow wifi. Now I see them. Yes both are tall and Mohsin in particular looks very fit. Very tall bowler are usually not very fast, but can be very effective. Any video of these two bowling at recorded speed ? 

Irfan the tallest bower ever was very fast , but only for a brief period, could not keep the pace due to his age and lack of fitness. Shaheen is also an exception, very tall and fast, will add to his pace in near couple of years. 

[First class]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Our teenage fast bowlers, Nagarkoti and Mavi, were comfortably quicker than any Pakistani or any other fast bowler in that tournament and both bowled at express speeds.

 

And the main thing is ... they were all measured under the same speed guns.

 

Moreover, I wonder why these new " teenage " fast bowlers like Hasnain did not play the U19 WC  ?   Is it because the age testing process is rather good and strict these days.  Someone like Shaheen was a true teenager, who drops speeds rather frequently.

 

 

 

 

Yes, Pakistan and "some neighboring countries" used to play overaged cricketers in age limit competitions in the past , not anymore. ICC had cracked down on all except they let lose Afghanistan deliberately . I think all of the under 19 players now from all countries, except Afghanistan are truly under 19.  Hasnain was injured, hence missed the under 19 WC. 

 

  Yes, Nagarkoti and Mavi were the best fast bowler in last under 19 WC and fast too. Both had nice run up and action, but both were too short and not strongly built for an international class fast bowler, will be difficult for them to progress to international level and will be very prone to injury. 

[Pandya_Power]

37 minutes ago, First class said:

 

  Yes, Nagarkoti and Mavi were the best fast bowler in last under 19 WC and fast too. Both had nice run up and action, but both were too short and not strongly built for an international class fast bowler, will be difficult for them to progress to international level and will be very prone to injury. 

They are tall enough. Infact comfortably taller than Hasoo and Yasir Arafat. They'll be back, worry not. 

[rkt.india]

54 minutes ago, First class said:

I saw them in a rush , I only saw  only Mohsin Khan , the other didn't download due to slow wifi. Now I see them. Yes both are tall and Mohsin in particular looks very fit. Very tall bowler are usually not very fast, but can be very effective. Any video of these two bowling at recorded speed ? 

Irfan the tallest bower ever was very fast , but only for a brief period, could not keep the pace due to his age and lack of fitness. Shaheen is also an exception, very tall and fast, will add to his pace in near couple of years. 

Mohsin bowls the same pace as Shaheen. He plays for UP, was also picked by Mumbai Indians. Aquib Qureshi plays for Mumbai u23. Trilok Nag olayst for Tamil Nadu u19.

[First class]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Mohsin bowls the same pace as Shaheen. He plays for UP, was also picked by Mumbai Indians. Aquib Qureshi plays for Mumbai u23. Trilok Nag olayst for Tamil Nadu u19.

If Mohsin bowls at Shaheen's pace , he will have a bright future. Also, where you guys were hiding Navdeep Saini, he is very talented fast bowler but why is not rated that high in India, never understood. He is already 26, should be playing regularly in ODIs at least, ahead of Khaleel.

[First class]

1 hour ago, Pandya_Power said:

They are tall enough. Infact comfortably taller than Hasoo and Yasir Arafat. They'll be back, worry not. 

Yasar Arfat would have been a very good bowling allrounder at International level, but lacked height for a fast bowler. Sames goes with Hasan Ali, too short for long international career, he already declining. Both your boys are 5-9, too short.

Edited September 18, 2019 by First class

[First class]

Just now, First class said:

Yasar Arfat would have been a very good bowling allrounder at International level, but lacked height for a fast bowler. Sames goes with Hasan Ali, too short for long international career, he already declining.

 

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, First class said:

 

  Yes, Nagarkoti and Mavi were the best fast bowler in last under 19 WC and fast too. Both had nice run up and action, but both were too short

 

 

For really quick bowlers, short height has never been a problem and often an advantage.  Advantage because if the bowlers are quick then the deliveries skid on to the batsmen really quickly and they have little time to duck or weave or bring their bat down. 

 

Take the 5'9" Shami and the 6'5" Ishant for example.  Shami's bouncers are lethal. They hit batsmen on the body or bounce them out far more frequently than Ishant's bouncers which are quite good on absolute terms but not as good as Shami's. Moreover, the pitched up balls are so skiddy and quick that they become lethal, especially on Asian surfaces.

 

We can also study some past great or top fast bowlers who have been short or short-ish for pace bowlers.  Larwood,  Gilchrist, Tyson, Truman, Thomson, Marshall, Steyn etc. were all between 5'7" to 5'11".

 

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and not strongly built for an international class fast bowler, will be difficult for them to progress to international level and will be very prone to injury. 

 

Mavi is strongly built and Nagarkoti is super flexible. What you are saying is that they are not bulky. Torso bulk is not a good thing for a fast bowler. Puts too much strain on the knees, feet and hips.  Ideally, they need to be strong, flexible and preferably wiry as teenagers. There has to be " room " left for natural bulking up as they grow older.

 

Thomson, Holding, Donald, Steyn, Morkel were all wiry fast bowlers. 

 

While both Wasim and Waqar lost some pace and became more niggle prone as they bulked up and looked stronger.

Edited September 18, 2019 by express bowling

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, First class said:

Yasar Arfat would have been a very good bowling allrounder at International level, but lacked height for a fast bowler. Sames goes with Hasan Ali, too short for long international career, he already declining. Both your boys are 5-9, too short.

 

Hasan Ali's would not have had any problems if he was bowling 137 k to 147 k or higher instead of his 132 k to 142 k. 

 

His height requires higher pace.  Which both Mavi and Nagarkoti have.

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, First class said:

Yasar Arfat would have been a very good bowling allrounder at International level, but lacked height for a fast bowler. Sames goes with Hasan Ali, too short for long international career, he already declining. Both your boys are 5-9, too short.

Arafat and Hasan Ali aren't quick enough

[bahubali]

On 9/17/2019 at 3:50 AM, First class said:

I think there is a separate forum for people like you to express all your hate, discrimination and anger, lets talk cricket here. We are talking about a 6-1 well built 19 year old Hasnain , soon to join another 6-5 tall 20 years old Shaheen in Pak team and you're talking about malnourished player. How many 6-5 tall 19-20 year old fast bowler you have in India and how many 19 years old express bolwers you have in India.

First prove  they are19 year old. Pakistani 19 year is 25 years by international standard 

[Pandya_Power]

Well Well, looks like Navdeep is a bowler who actually bowls over 145 KPH on average. Unlike the fake teenagers from Pak.

 

And he actually does something with the ball too

Edited September 18, 2019 by Pandya_Power

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Pandya_Power said:

Well Well, looks like Navdeep is a bowler who actually bowls over 145 KPH on average.

 

And he actually does something with the ball too

 

Every delivery above 144 kph by Saini in his first over.

[express bowling]

Itching to see Bumrah and Saini bowling in tandem on a bouncy pitch in the 2 longer formats.

 

2 genuine fast bowlers who are accurate too and can move the ball.

Edited September 18, 2019 by express bowling