KL Rahul vs Shreyas Iyer for number 4 spot in ODIs

[SK_IH]

3 hours ago, Vk1 said:

There were some question marks over Iyer's ability to finish the innings against quality fast bowlers, that has to become clear. Anyways Rahul is more versatile and should be told that he will be given at least 25 games to prove himself at that position.  Also, SKY should be given a chance asap.

If Rahul is pushed to 4 next game and Iyer at 5, then it would start a circle again. Give Iyer full one year at 4, before shoehorning others in. This is why no.4,5 and 6 has been a consistent problem. One player is all good for one series, then the random chutiyapa of experiment begins.

Edited January 16, 2020 by SK_IH

[Lannister]

3 hours ago, Vk1 said:

There were some question marks over Iyer's ability to finish the innings against quality fast bowlers, that has to become clear.

Yes, they were showing a clip where he was struggling against pace and bounce. I watched him bat first time and it didn't look good. Hope he will not turned out to be another Ambati Rayudu.

[Frustrated]

On 1/15/2020 at 9:47 PM, R!TTER said:

Yuvraj & Raina are not comparable, Yuvraj at his peak was 2x the player Raina ever was. As for the other forums, which one do you suggest we visit & why does their opinion hold more weight than others here? It is also unquestionably true that insecure players will never perform to their optimum level, if you need proof you can see the test side as well. No batsman has thrived under Brat 

I never said yuvi and Raina were comparable. I said both of them were at a class apart compared to kl and Pant.  I spoke about opinion of other cricket forum (no forum in particular) coz opinion of those forumers are not influenced by IPL performance.   Also, it's not TM's fault that KL has not been given a consistent run. It's his own fault that he has always been inconsistent in odis whenever he got chances. It's evident he has no match awareness, throws his wicket away once set, and does not have good strike rotating ability in odis. Certainly he is no better than dhawan/rohit to be there in the playing 11. 

Edited January 16, 2020 by Frustrated

[Straight Drive]

Voting results so far:

Iyer - 41
None of above - 7
Rahul - 4

 

Would be interesting to know views of 7 people who have voted for None. Guess most of them want Kohli at 4 or is there any other candidate ? Pant anyone ?

Edited January 16, 2020 by Straight Drive

[rkt.india]

Rahul should either open or bat at 6 as he has the big shots.

[rkt.india]

Would like Gill at 4. Iyer against pace looks suspicious.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, SK_IH said:

If Rahul is pushed to 4 next game and Iyer at 5, then it would start a circle again. Give Iyer full one year at 4, before shoehorning others in. This is why no.4,5 and 6 has been a consistent problem. One player is all good for one series, then the random chutiyapa of experiment begins.

Under kohli all unsettled players are 2-3 failures max away from being dropped. No player will ever get settled like that and its there to be seen with number 4....top 3 jadhav pandya were already settled under dhoni

[Ajju]

Gill is good against pace i dont have any opinion on iyer 

[express bowling]

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Would like Gill at 4. Iyer against pace looks suspicious.

 

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Rahul should either open or bat at 6 as he has the big shots.

 

Agree with both points.

[Hakuna Matata]

Mayank averaging 50 in list A cricket with 102 strike rate . That's excellent stats. Why he didn't get any chance untill now?

[prudent_kreeda]

8 minutes ago, Hakuna Matata said:

Mayank averaging 50 in list A cricket with 102 strike rate . That's excellent stats. Why he didn't get any chance untill now?

     Am sure will get a look in soon in 50 overs . In fact Gill, Shaw , Mayank are must in  15 member side .

[putrevus]

I don't understand this constant whining about Kohli being impatient, if he was impatient would he have let Rahul stink in test cricket across five continents.Who said a player has to given 1000 chances in all formats or captain and TM are doing injustice to that player.

 

Injustice was done against Iyer not Rahul, questions are being still asked why he should not be given a chance rather than giving him chances over a guy like Rahul who stinks in odis.

 

Iyer needs to be given proper chances to prove himself, he has nothing wrong so far and yet he is first one people are looking to kick out.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Hakuna Matata said:

Mayank averaging 50 in list A cricket with 102 strike rate . That's excellent stats. Why he didn't get any chance untill now?

mayank, gill if u even make them bat all over the order n not tell what their role, show lack of patience even their end result wud be same. under kohli every unsettled player is 2-3 failures away to be dropped be it Rahul or guys like rayudu, rahane ,dk . In RCB also Sundar, dube have faced this 

[putrevus]

Mayank and Iyer are two people who should have problem with selectors and Kohli. Mayank with his list A avg 50 and SR 101 should have been preferred choice over Rahul in odis.

Guy like Rahul should be thanking his lucky stars that he is still in the odi team as captain and coach see something in him.

[kohli]

On 1/15/2020 at 6:46 PM, Frustrated said:

Seriously,. Few ICFers need to visit other cricket forums occasionally.   KL and Pant are not even rated among good indian batsmen.  Only in ICF we see such fan base and hype for these overrated batsmen . Sad part is. IPL performance is considered by few fellow forumers to rate their talent.    Citing examples like. Oh!!  Yuvi and Raina were also inconsistent in early part of their career makes no sense. Yuvi and Raina had single handedly won us many crucial matches in his first 15 ODIs against tough opponents. Once they were set, they could accelerate at will.  Something which KL has not achieved so far in odi.  Regarding pant, the less said the better.

Can you give list how many crucial match raina won by single handly in first 15 match 

[Frustrated]

5 hours ago, kohli said:

Can you give list how many crucial match raina won by single handly in first 15 match 

Raina was the Man of the Series and highest run getter in the 2006 Ind-England series held in india.  India thrashed the poms 5-1.   By the time that series started, raina had hardly played 15 odis.  That series sealed his spot for the indian team.  And it bore fruit later on, in the crucial WC 2011 SF against poyz where our middle order had collapsed , but raina stood up and took us to a winning total on a sluggish pitch. Eventually we won the WC.   Apart from his usual batting skill, he was an excellent fielder too and a part time bowler who gave us crucial breakthroughs at times.  His contribution to the side was immense. 

Edited January 17, 2020 by Frustrated

[Frustrated]

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Edited January 17, 2020 by Frustrated

[Lannister]

Iyer batting at #5 shouldn't be used as an excuse for his failures. A middle order batsman should be able to adapt to #4 or #5 position.  

 

He was doing Kathakali against Starc and Cummins bouncers and that too in India and that should be rightly pointed out. 

[Hakuna Matata]

5 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Raina was the Man of the Series and highest run getter in the 2006 Ind-England series held in india.  India thrashed the poms 5-1.   By the time that series started, raina had hardly played 15 odis.  That series sealed his spot for the indian team.  And it bore fruit later on, in the crucial WC 2011 SF against poyz where our middle order had collapsed , but raina stood up and took us to a winning total on a sluggish pitch. Eventually we won the WC.   Apart from his usual batting skill, he was an excellent fielder too and a part time bowler who gave us crucial breakthroughs at times.  His contribution to the side was immense. 

Raina is  an underrated player. Most of his cameos are worth in gold. But see   the same year you mentioned he averaged 27 with very poor srike rate of 69 . That strike rate is too bad for a no. 6 . Good thing is pant is not trying to bat slow to save his place. Batting at no. 6 is really tough job and any player needs time. 

[rkt.india]

On 1/16/2020 at 9:20 AM, Frustrated said:

I never said yuvi and Raina were comparable. I said both of them were at a class apart compared to kl and Pant.  I spoke about opinion of other cricket forum (no forum in particular) coz opinion of those forumers are not influenced by IPL performance.   Also, it's not TM's fault that KL has not been given a consistent run. It's his own fault that he has always been inconsistent in odis whenever he got chances. It's evident he has no match awareness, throws his wicket away once set, and does not have good strike rotating ability in odis. Certainly he is no better than dhawan/rohit to be there in the playing 11. 

You are comparing specialist batsmen to a wk. False equivalent in the first place and it took yuvraj 5 years after his NatWest heroic start doing well consistently and even then wasn't as consistent.