KL Rahul vs Shreyas Iyer for number 4 spot in ODIs

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

i think  this 5th down suits him  better than 4rth.  Even his T20 record  is testimony to this. I mean it seems  he is more at ease  in scoring in T20 mode  rather than anchoring  which he was doing as an opener. As an opener he would score a  '58 off 75'  then would get out soon when it was time to cash on it. It seems his temperament &  fitness both are suited to this   T20 mode batting  and hence would be more ideal at 5.

What if he gets dismisses cheaply next few innings at 5. Can't be decides which number suits him on basis of one innings.

[Ankit_sharma03]

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[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

What if he gets dismisses cheaply next few innings at 5. Can't be decides which number suits him on basis of one innings.

the back him 5 innings is to less...anyone who can beat cummins n starc like that needs backing. He is the 3rd fastest indian to 1000 runs in ODI

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

What if he gets dismisses cheaply next few innings at 5.

@Ankit_sharma03will then create a thread "KL Rahul was always the best choice for opener if only he was persisted with"

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

@Ankit_sharma03will then create a thread "KL Rahul was always the best choice for opener if only he was persisted with"

Before 2019 Wc shikhar was and shikhar hasnt still lost it but he has no future

But im waiting for a thread from you  " Marnus only avg 28 in domestic " 

[jusarrived]

19 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

What if he gets dismisses cheaply next few innings at 5. Can't be decides which number suits him on basis of one innings.

It’s not based on one innings . His ideal position is opening , but since he can hit big and also gets his timing from the word go he should do fine when he has to face 40-60 balls , good for a no5 . 

[Straight Drive]

13 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

the back him 5 innings is to less...anyone who can beat cummins n starc like that needs backing. He is the 3rd fastest indian to 1000 runs in ODI

The concern is about the strike rate at which he scored 1000 runs. He should have scored the 1000 at proper pace.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Straight Drive said:

The concern is about the strike rate at which he scored 1000 runs. He should have scored the 1000 at proper pace.

least of concern....he played at 150 s/r yesterday in ODI. The guy bats at 145 s/r in t20 ...so he has ability 

he started WI series with 79 s/r now its 83 so its improving. One of the reason for his s/r was Wc where he was technically not at his best and then he didnt have a secure position for long. Player who doesnt have secure position will tend to play for themselves. Such concern is valid for a guy like Rahane who lacks ability but Rahul will fix it soon. If 10-15 games can mess ur stats all it wud take 10-15 games more to fix it . Give him a secure place, position and tell him to play his natural game thats the job of seniors 

[Straight Drive]

5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

least of concern....he played at 150 s/r yesterday in ODI. The guy bats at 145 s/r in t20 ...so he has ability 

he started WI series with 79 s/r now its 83 so its improving. One of the reason for his s/r was Wc where he was technically not at his best and then he didnt have a secure position for long. Player who doesnt have secure position will tend to play for themselves. Such concern is valid for a guy like Rahane who lacks ability but Rahul will fix it soon. If 10-15 games can mess ur stats all it wud take 10-15 games more to fix it . Give him a secure place, position and tell him to play his natural game thats the job of seniors 

Strike rate is not the least but one of the important aspect in ODI. Not in every innings player scores at 150. There are bad innings which bring it down.

 

I do agree that his strike rate is showing improvement after he has been dropped. The message as reached him that he needs to improve his trike rate and probably him getting dropped has made him score runs at acceptable level. Some players cone back stronger after being dropped. It has helped him to get better.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Strike rate is not the least but one of the important aspect in ODI. Not in every innings player scores at 150. There are bad innings which bring it down.

By Least of concern i meant he ll fix it soon...he has ability

Even pant has 120 s/r in t20 but im not concerned coz he has the ability to fix it

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I do agree that his strike rate is showing improvement after he has been dropped. The message as reached him that he needs to improve his trike rate and probably him getting dropped has made him score runs at acceptable level. Some players cone back stronger after being dropped. It has helped him to get better.

he was dropped rightly this year but he has been on n off when he was in form as well thats how his mind was made a mess

Edited January 18, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Straight Drive]

12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

By Least of concern i meant he ll fix it soon...he has ability

Even pant has 120 s/r in t20 but im not concerned coz he has the ability to fix it

he was dropped rightly this year but he has been on n off when he was in form as well thats how his mind was made a mess

Hope by then end of this year we will see his overall strike rate and average at a acceptable ratio.

 

Iyer has given impressive numbers ( avg 40 and strike rate 101.  So he has passed the statistical expectations.

 

Rahul is showing  improvements in numbers (strike rate).  Hopefully he too achieved benchmarks in an years time.

[Straight Drive]

14 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

@Ankit_sharma03will then create a thread "KL Rahul was always the best choice for opener if only he was persisted with"

Dhawan is the highest scorer in the series facing a tough attack of Starc and Cummins. Sharma is world-class ODI opener. The openers spot may be vacant when Dhawan and Sharma  strikes bad patch at end of their career; which is still few years away.

 

Shaw has the attacking game and shots over in-field as well as ability to survive as opener. Agarwal and Shaw are the options for that spot. Doors are also not closed for Rahul as ODI opener. You never know when Kohli takes any decision unexpectedly

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

 

Iyer has given impressive numbers ( avg 40 and strike rate 101.  So he has passed the statistical expectations.

Everyone shud hold opinion on iyer - his runs have come against WI, SL, BANG

he doesnt look comfortable against pace at all

 

Let iyer play against diff teams n in diff condition before we make an opinion on him. Stats with such small sample size shud be ignored 

 

Versus	Mat	Inns	NO	100s	50s	0s	HS	Runs	Avg	S/R	Ca	St
Australia	2	2	0	0	0	0	7	11	5.50	42.31	0	0
South Africa	3	2	0	0	0	0	30	48	24.00	82.76	2	0
Sri Lanka	3	3	0	0	2	0	88	162	54.00	101.25	1	0
West Indies	6	5	0	0	4	0	71	266	53.20	112.71	2	0
Overall (4)	14	12	0	0	6	0	88	487	40.58	101.46	5	0

 

 

I dnt wanna look into his numbers against SA n Aus coz its 2-3 games only but on ground he doesnt look comfortable 

Edited January 18, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

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[prudent_kreeda]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Everyone shud hold opinion on iyer - his runs have come against WI, SL, BANG

he doesnt look comfortable against pace at all

 

Let iyer play against diff teams n in diff condition before we make an opinion on him. Stats with such small sample size shud be ignored 

 

Versus	Mat	Inns	NO	100s	50s	0s	HS	Runs	Avg	S/R	Ca	St
Australia	2	2	0	0	0	0	7	11	5.50	42.31	0	0
South Africa	3	2	0	0	0	0	30	48	24.00	82.76	2	0
Sri Lanka	3	3	0	0	2	0	88	162	54.00	101.25	1	0
West Indies	6	5	0	0	4	0	71	266	53.20	112.71	2	0
Overall (4)	14	12	0	0	6	0	88	487	40.58	101.46	5	0

 

 

I dnt wanna look into his numbers against SA n Aus coz its 2-3 games only but on ground he doesnt look comfortable 

      Whatever may be the statistics , at this stage he does not look comfortable against pace and this was noticeable earlier too  and  the problem is 

      not addressed .

     

[Straight Drive]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Everyone shud hold opinion on iyer - his runs have come against WI, SL, BANG

he doesnt look comfortable against pace at all

 

Let iyer play against diff teams n in diff condition before we make an opinion on him. Stats with such small sample size shud be ignored 

 

Versus	Mat	Inns	NO	100s	50s	0s	HS	Runs	Avg	S/R	Ca	St
Australia	2	2	0	0	0	0	7	11	5.50	42.31	0	0
South Africa	3	2	0	0	0	0	30	48	24.00	82.76	2	0
Sri Lanka	3	3	0	0	2	0	88	162	54.00	101.25	1	0
West Indies	6	5	0	0	4	0	71	266	53.20	112.71	2	0
Overall (4)	14	12	0	0	6	0	88	487	40.58	101.46	5	0

 

 

I dnt wanna look into his numbers against SA n Aus coz its 2-3 games only but on ground he doesnt look comfortable 

Sample size is very small - 2 innings each against Australia and South Africa. He is the bestperfromer in ODi amongst all batsmen who have been tried. TM needs to backs uch talents who have performed better than others.

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Sample size is very small - 2 innings each against Australia and South Africa. He is the bestperfromer in ODi amongst all batsmen who have been tried. TM needs to backs uch talents who have performed better than others.

Thats what im saying sample size is small but in reality also he doesnt look comfortable

[putrevus]

Rahane looked so out of depth in his debut test, he turned out to be fine.Iyer will be fine, he just needs chances to prove himself.Two or three matches, people are writing him off, wonderful.

Edited January 19, 2020 by putrevus

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He has to find a way before WC in Aus

Edited January 19, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03