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KL Rahul was always the best choice for No.4 if only he was persisted with

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Was harping this for few years, we tried every wrong option or worse then KL. KL is versatile enough to bat anywhere in top 4 

 

What do u need from No.4 

  • Someone who can play pace well 
  • Someone who can play Spin well
  • Someone who can bat at a good strike at end overs coz they way our top 3 bat most days no.4 will be batting with 20 overs remaining
  • Someone who can hit big shots against pace n spin
  • Someone who can come in 5/2
  • Who can make 100 batting at 4
  • Who has extra gear like ABDV

 

Now the players we tried

  1. Rayudu- Cant play pace well
  2. Iyer- Weakness against pace is getting found out, even spinner bowling 85k + troubling him
  3. Raina- Cant play bouncers
  4. Rahane- weak against spin and strike rotation
  5. DK - Cant build an innings 
  6. Yuvraj- was past his prime
  7. Dhoni- past his prime
  8. Shankar- Cant accelerate in end overs
  9. Jadhav- cant build innings when batting comes in 1st 10 overs

 

 

Rahul ticked all boxes above and does have that extra gear that kohli lacks or has cut down over the years . A player who can get 100 at 3 n 4 in t20 cricket can play fast in odi and why cant he bat in middle ? He did well in IPL at 4 as well 

 

When he did well at 4 in Wc in warmup in Sa n Aus game why was he dropped in next series 

 

Now about his middle over struggle well u saw it today . A guy who can bat at 145 s/r in t20 can always play fast but never had security n constant position. No one will ever do well if they dont knw what their role is . And u cant drop players after 3-4 games. Rahul was never given a fair run at 4 that his case was declare hopeless

 

  • Played 3 games in SL at 3,4, 5 struggled agaisnt myster spinner and dropped. Have we forgotten what mendis did to our legend. But 3 games seriously
  • Played WC warm up at 4 and 1st 2 games did ok, dhawan got injured and rahul had to open and he became a backup opener again. He shud have played WI series as he was ahead not iyer 
  • Played at 4 in England one failure n dropped

 

Thats how Kohli has mistreated Rahul 

 

Now same will happen to iyer and KL will become backup opener again with 1-2 failures. He wud be in fear again with dhawan runs that he ll loose his opening spot in t20 now . Cycle is same as ever.....circle of idioticness 

 

Kohli doesnt knw how to identify talent- He shud decide where to make KL bat open or 4,5 and tell him thats his slot of 15-20 games . Had KL been under Dhoni or ganguly his career wud have taken a diff shape . 

 

And for those who say KL isnt a talent- well today that was starc n cummins taken apart . Talent doesnt change with format ..talent remains talent its how u handle him. 

If he is a failure allow him to fail atleast enough not in 3-4 games to rule him or any talent out

 

 

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2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Rahul  80 off just 52 balls in an ODI.

 

Batting at No.5

 

Is an ideal No.5 or No.4 as he can ...

... hit the big shots at will

... can improvise,

... can rotate the strike

.... can play genuine pace and bounce

... can play spin

... can stem the rot in case of a collapse 

 

 

 

just talked about same stuff....he can play anywhere in top 4 specially at open n 4

imagine what he can do if he has full 50 overs

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

just talked about same stuff....he can play anywhere in top 4 specially at open n 4

imagine what he can do if he has full 50 overs

 

We need a strong batsman at No.5 or No.4

 

Rahul is ideal.

 

We lose big matches because we load our top 3 ... and pick the next 3 from leftover batters.

 

The good batsmen either play at 1 or 2 or 3 ... or do not play at all.

 

I feel we should bring in Gill, Shaw and Mayank too in the ODI setup.

 

Choose the top 5 from Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Gill, Rahul, Shaw, Mayank, Iyer.

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thats why i say if u identify a talent persist with them and dont jusge them before 60-70 games in ODI, player hardly start at perfect and who do gets caught very soon. Guys like yuvi n rohit came into their own after 70-80 games and became consistent. 

If kohli keeps chopping n changing by next Wc we will be in same situtation as in 2019 

 

Ganguly always says - identify a player and back him to end 

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1 minute ago, Adamant said:

No. 4?

Why not no. 5.

Lets not tinker with his position, he shpuld play at 5 now. 

Pant at 6,iyer at 4 until he gets replaced by gill.

 

The moment someone bats well in India, we try to bat him in the top 3 ... or not play him at all.  This happens at every level ... even in state teams.

 

And that's why we lose crunch matches the moment there is a top order collapse.

 

Dhoni won so many tournaments because he understood the importance of having a strong lower middle order in LOIs, where he himself batted.

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Of all the folks, definitely the one with the best technique and temperament. Iyer and Pandey looked like tailenders. Surely Gill has to come in and complete the top order? Also need to get Shaw ahead of Dhawan -

 

For 2023 WC -

 

Shaw

Rohit

Brat

Gill

Rahul

Pant

Pandya

bowlers

 

Also prepare backups for openers and middle order in case of injuries

 

Should stick to this line up for 2 years in lead upto the world cup.

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2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We need a strong batsman at No.5 or No.4

 

Rahul is ideal.

 

We lose big matches because we load our top 3 ... and pick the next 3 from leftover batters.

thats why he is someone who can bat at a good rate even with 20 overs left.....manish, rahane, rayudu, shankar cud never do that 

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

The good batsmen either play at 1 or 2 or 3 ... or do not play at all.

 

I feel we should bring in Gill, Shaw and Mayank too in the ODI setup.

 

Choose the top 5 from Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Gill, Rahul, Shaw, Mayank, Iyer.

shud have gotten gill ahead of iyer....was never a fan of iyer but now that he is given a chance be fair to him ....be fair to anyone

Shaw shud already be in mix with t20s but he also has himself to blame but then there is samson as well

 

Also i dont know how will they get all these. They still dnt knw if rahul is their backup opener or middle order. Coz if KL is backup opener Shaw cant get a look in. We still havent gotten over manish pandey 

 

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7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Trying to incorporate a 6th bowler is resulting in us weakening our lower middle order.

Going with 5 bowlers is very risky

Pandya got injured in Asia cup thank god we had jadhav

Bhuvi got injured in Pak game in Wc, shankar was there

Pandya had to bowl in WC semi with injury coz we didnt have a 6th bowler

 

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We need good batsmen to bowl a few overs if needed. Practice doing that.

 

Iyer or Rohit can.

 

maar khayange its not easy for part timers now all over world, earlier there use to 5 fielder n one ball now its 2 ball which remains compartively new. Rohit has shoulder issue nyways

 

We need to look at role vs choosing high quality player

I knw gill, samson, shaw, mayank are way better batsman then dube, jadeja, axar n all but role demands those guys. 

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Rahul was given the middle order spot for the World Cup but then Dhawan's injury happened and complicated matters.  Last match at number 3 was mere experimentation on the part of Kohli to give others a bat but he shouldn't sacrifice his spot for others.  Rahul opens the innings in other formats so that's why there's opportunity for him to open the innings.  With Dhawan still churning out runs, it will be difficult for Rahul to take that opening spot.  For the time being, Rahul is best at #4/5 and solidifies that middle order and gives better composition to the batting lineup.  

 

#4/5 really depends on how quickly others get out. Sometimes you have 30 overs to sometimes 20-15 overs left.  

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