Mariyam Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Stradlater said: If you referring to Malik Kafur's invasion of the Deccan then yes that's true. Although the timeline is bit off by 20 something years. No. I just made up the year and inserted character names from the Bahubali series. I was going to pick the year 666 AD, but then I realised that would be anachronistic with actual Indian history. Stradlater and Alam_dar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: Didn't you know that EVERY SINGLE THREAD in chit chat is to discuss the Hindu-Muslim chasm. I mean how can you not discuss the 5th battle of Bahubali in 1333AD between Sultan Pappu Fakeeruddin and Raja Dev Bhalla II, which the Sultan won through deceit and his forces inflicted untold miseries on the local Hindu populace, for which obviously all Muslims henceforth born in the India are personally responsible. This one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Mariyam said: Also, in India Shias are not homogenuous. There are twelver Shiites, whose primary leader is Kalbe Jawad the chief imam at Lucknow. Doubt he would condemn the Ayotallah's statement. That would be akin to heresy. But his office has replied to the foreign minister's tweet in a letter to the editor in a popular newspaper. In Pakistan, there are 2 sets of twelver Shias: 1. Malang Shias (They are like Sufis. They are sometimes deadly against Ayatullahs) 2. Shariati Shias They are the follower of Sharia and follow Ayatullahs completely). Both these groups have severe problems with each other in Pakistan. 9 hours ago, Mariyam said: Dawoodi Bohra's are also counted as shiites in our census. Their spiritual leader is the Syedna. But the Ayatollah has no pull among the Bohris. The Khojas are also a sub sect of the Shiites where the Ayatollah has no traction. @Mariyam I don't think that Khojas are a sub-sect of Shias. I am sure that Khojas are themselves twelver Shias (they are unlike Bohras, who are not twelver Shias). Presently Khojas follow Ayatullah Seestani of Iraq. But they are indeed Shariati Shias, but not fanatics. It is possible that after the death of Seestani, they may start following any Iranian Ayatullah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Gollum said: Not the first time this Ayatollah has made controversial statements about India. Even meddled in Kashmir related affairs, pro-Pak line. Has Modi (or MMS/Vajpayee before him) ever publicly spoken about Iran's internal affairs, meddled in their territorial issues? We even ignored US pressure to trade with them, continue to invest there, keep calling them our ally.....is this how allies behave? He is a lover of Iqbal and has a Phd degree upon Iqbal. Iqbal did most of his poetry in Persian as compared to Urdu. Therefore, Iranians claim Iqbal to be their poet than of Pakistan. Since he is a Shariati Ayatullah, therefore it may be that Hindus are still "Napak" (impure) according to his Fatwa (although some of his fellow Shia Ayatullahs don't consider Hindus as impure). There is a verse in Quran which claims all non-Muslims to be impure. Some follow it literally (i.e. physical impurity), while other claims that Quran is telling about spiritual impurity. (Quran 9:28) يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ Translation: O you who believe! the idolaters (Mushrikeen) are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First class Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 There is no denying the fact that many Shias were killed in the past In blasts by some unknown extremists group , but if you ask any common Pakistani Sunny or Shia he/she would have no bad feeling against each other and they all condemn those extremists killers responsible for such acts . Neither you will find any Pakistani forum where Sunny and Shias attaching each other , they have no issues between them . Unlike in India , like this very forum every post is by a Hindu and is against Muslims like Indian Muslim don’t belong to India . Adi_91 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 On 3/6/2020 at 12:30 AM, Gollum said: Don't give a * about them Baki Shias, they are our enemy as much as Sunnis and Ahmadis. Stop feeling sorry when they are butchered. Problem is with that prophet and asmani kitab.....7th century ideology, that is the root cause. Do read up what happened in 1990s during India’s isolation with respect to Kashmir by Amrica. Only countries that helped India were Russia and Iran. Vajpayee even Made a statement that India needs to improve its image in international community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 No other religion sees this kind of infighting. Middle East has seen 10 lakhs death in the last 20 years because of civil unrest or infighting in or between the middle East nation's. For all the talk that Islam is United, the numbers of causualty due to infighting tells a totally different fact. It is good to see education and exposure of some Muslims to modern world positively influencing and changing the lifestyle of sensible Muslim people. The note the number of Muslims go through this, the lesser they will fight and kill their own people and even others. Might take another few decades though that many more of them start looking for a quality lifestyle and enjoy what modern advanced worked offers to the people rather than take a gun and be a fanatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 On 3/7/2020 at 11:12 PM, Alam_dar said: @Mariyam I don't think that Khojas are a sub-sect of Shias. I am sure that Khojas are themselves twelver Shias (they are unlike Bohras, who are not twelver Shias). Presently Khojas follow Ayatullah Seestani of Iraq. But they are indeed Shariati Shias, but not fanatics. It is possible that after the death of Seestani, they may start following any Iranian Ayatullah. The Khojas' spiritual leader is Aga Khan. You are probably mistaking the Khojas for some other sect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: The Khojas' spiritual leader is Aga Khan. You are probably mistaking the Khojas for some other sect. The followers of Agha Khan are not Khojas, but they are known as "Ismaili Shias" While Khojas are 12er Shias. While Bohri Muslims are separate from both 12er Shias and Ismaili Shias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: The followers of Agha Khan are not Khojas, but they are known as "Ismaili Shias" While Khojas are 12er Shias. While Bohri Muslims are separate from both 12er Shias and Ismaili Shias. Khojas are a subsect of/synonymous with Ismaili Nizaris! And Aga Khan is their Imam. https://www.caleidoscope.in/art-culture/khoja-muslims http://khojapedia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Khojas https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Khoja https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpUdhglTzr8 Probably the term Khoja has a different connotation in Pakistan. In India, or at least Mumbai and Gujarat, where Khojas are from; the word Khoja is synonymous with Ismaili. I know who Bohris are, a little too well for my liking. My mom is a Bohri! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 On 3/7/2020 at 11:30 PM, Alam_dar said: He is a lover of Iqbal and has a Phd degree upon Iqbal. Iqbal did most of his poetry in Persian as compared to Urdu. Therefore, Iranians claim Iqbal to be their poet than of Pakistan. Since he is a Shariati Ayatullah, therefore it may be that Hindus are still "Napak" (impure) according to his Fatwa (although some of his fellow Shia Ayatullahs don't consider Hindus as impure). There is a verse in Quran which claims all non-Muslims to be impure. Some follow it literally (i.e. physical impurity), while other claims that Quran is telling about spiritual impurity. (Quran 9:28) يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ Translation: O you who believe! the idolaters (Mushrikeen) are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year. Was Iqbal a shia? Did you know that Persians Literature students in Iran have to study some work of Amir Khusraw also as a part of their syllabus. Like for Iqbal, appreciation and recognition in Iran for Khusraw's work was posthumous. In fact, many centuries later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondSlip Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 Thousands of anti-Shiite protesters including demonstrators linked to Sunni extremists rallied in Pakistan's Karachi on Friday! mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) thank you Jinnah Saab for attempting to contain the mess. Eff you Indian politicians of 1940s and 50s that despite His insistence, they didn’t agreed to support his call for His brethren leave India Edited September 13, 2020 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondSlip Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 hours ago, mishra said: thank you Jinnah Saab for attempting to contain the mess. Eff you Indian politicians of 1940s and 50s that despite His insistence, they didn’t agreed to support his call for His brethren leave India Believe me, if all Muslims had left India and went to Pak/Ban, then India would have been a first world nation today. Massive middle fingers to both Nehru and Gandhi mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Shia - Sunni sectarian fights and killings in Pakistan going for ages But unlikely to break into full out civil war, because plenty of Shias presence as generals and soldiers in Pak Army. If divisions breaks out along sect lines in Pak Army, then you can bet Pak will be next war torn middle east coutry like Yemen and Syria. But unlikely and Pak Army top brass knows importance to keep cohesion within its ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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