Who was the real pioneer of explosive opening in Odis?

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I'm not sure about who pioneered it, but I think nobody took advantage of the first 15 overs the way jayasuriya did in 96. Although to be fair, he did not do that against the windies,OZ, SA,PAK - the best bowling attacks in the world cup. 

Jayasuriya and Kalu became famous because attack came from both ends. But Tendulkar batted like that even before 1996 world cup. Ever since he started opening in 1994 ODI in NZ, he always played that way. Use the field restriction overs and take it slow in the middle and explode at the death.

[zen]

Objectively, openers:

 

1970s WC

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0
DL Amiss (ENG)	1975-1975	4	4	0	243	137	60.75	288	84.37	1	1	0
A Turner (AUS)	1975-1975	5	5	0	201	101	40.20	259	77.60	1	0	0
Majid Khan (PAK)	1975-1979	7	7	0	359	84	51.28	524	68.51	0	5	0
GM Turner (NZ)	1975-1979	5	5	3	416	171*	208.00	629	66.13	2	1	0
RC Fredericks (WI)	1975-1975	5	5	0	116	58	23.20	181	64.08	0	1	0
CG Greenidge (WI)	1975-1979	8	8	1	341	106*	48.71	586	58.19	1	3	0
SRD Wettimuny (SL)	1975-1979	3	3	1	136	67	68.00	242	56.19	0	2	0
DL Haynes (WI)	1979-1979	4	4	0	144	65	36.00	261	55.17	0	1	0
Sadiq Mohammad (PAK)	1975-1979	7	7	1	189	74	31.50	352	53.69	0	2	0
AMJ Hilditch (AUS)	1979-1979	3	3	0	143	72	47.66	267	53.55	0	1	0
JG Wright (NZ)	1979-1979	4	4	0	166	69	41.50	332	50.00	0	1	0
BA Edgar (NZ)	1979-1979	3	3	1	113	84*	56.50	228	49.56	0	1	0
RB McCosker (AUS)	1975-1975	5	5	0	120	73	24.00	264	45.45	0	1	1
SM Gavaskar (INDIA)	1975-1979	6	6	2	202	65*	50.50	479	42.17	0	2	0
JM Brearley (ENG)	1979-1979	5	5	0	161	64	32.20	404	39.85	0	2	2

 

• Amiss = 1.12 of #2 

 

1980s WC

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0
KR Rutherford (NZ)	1987-1987	3	3	0	134	75	44.66	165	81.21	0	1	0
TM Chappell (AUS)	1983-1983	4	4	0	139	110	34.75	179	77.65	1	0	0
PV Simmons (WI)	1987-1987	4	4	0	170	89	42.50	220	77.27	0	2	0
DC Boon (AUS)	1987-1987	8	8	0	447	93	55.87	583	76.67	0	5	0
K Srikkanth (INDIA)	1983-1987	15	15	0	404	75	26.93	551	73.32	0	2	1
SM Gavaskar (INDIA)	1983-1987	13	13	1	359	103*	29.91	499	71.94	1	2	1
GA Gooch (ENG)	1987-1987	8	8	0	471	115	58.87	670	70.29	1	3	0
GR Marsh (AUS)	1987-1987	8	8	1	428	126*	61.14	627	68.26	2	1	0
GM Turner (NZ)	1983-1983	6	6	0	103	50	17.16	156	66.02	0	1	0
RS Mahanama (SL)	1987-1987	6	6	0	134	89	22.33	204	65.68	0	1	1
JG Wright (NZ)	1983-1987	8	8	0	237	61	29.62	373	63.53	0	1	1
Rameez Raja (PAK)	1987-1987	7	7	0	349	113	49.85	551	63.33	1	2	0
G Fowler (ENG)	1983-1983	7	7	2	360	81*	72.00	573	62.82	0	4	0
CG Greenidge (WI)	1983-1983	7	7	1	250	105*	41.66	413	60.53	1	1	0
MC Snedden (NZ)	1987-1987	3	3	0	129	64	43.00	215	60.00	0	1	0
DL Haynes (WI)	1983-1987	14	14	1	459	105	35.30	781	58.77	1	1	0
GM Wood (AUS)	1983-1983	5	5	1	144	73	36.00	256	56.25	0	1	0
DSBP Kuruppu (SL)	1983-1987	11	11	0	251	72	22.81	503	49.90	0	2	1
CJ Tavare (ENG)	1983-1983	7	7	0	212	58	30.28	432	49.07	0	1	0
Mohsin Khan (PAK)	1983-1983	7	7	0	223	82	31.85	505	44.15	0	2	1
Mudassar Nazar (PAK)	1983-1987	7	7	0	146	40	20.85	349	41.83	0	0	1
S Wettimuny (SL)	1983-1983	6	6	0	128	50	21.33	317	40.37	0	1	0

 

• Amis is still ahead w/ 1.12 lead 

 

1990s WC. Introduction of white ball and field restrictions in WCs

 

 

1992 WC

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Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0
MJ Greatbatch (NZ)	7	7	0	313	73	44.71	356	87.92	0	3	0
BC Lara (WI)	8	8	1	333	88*	47.57	408	81.61	0	4	1
MAR Samarasekera (SL)	6	6	0	219	75	36.50	273	80.21	0	1	0
DC Boon (AUS)	4	4	0	275	100	68.75	396	69.44	2	0	0
Rameez Raja (PAK)	8	8	2	349	119*	58.16	539	64.74	2	0	0
AC Hudson (SA)	8	8	0	296	79	37.00	467	63.38	0	3	0
Aamer Sohail (PAK)	10	10	0	326	114	32.60	515	63.30	1	2	1
RT Latham (NZ)	7	7	0	136	60	19.42	218	62.38	0	1	0
TM Moody (AUS)	5	5	0	160	57	32.00	270	59.25	0	2	0
IT Botham (ENG)	10	10	1	192	53	21.33	329	58.35	0	1	1
DL Haynes (WI)	7	7	1	251	93*	41.83	443	56.65	0	1	0
K Srikkanth (INDIA)	8	8	1	117	40	16.71	211	55.45	0	0	3
RS Mahanama (SL)	8	7	0	246	80	35.14	456	53.94	0	3	0
KC Wessels (SA)	8	8	1	304	85	43.42	577	52.68	0	3	0
GA Gooch (ENG)	8	8	0	216	65	27.00	419	51.55	0	3	1
GR Marsh (AUS)	5	5	0	151	60	30.20	360	41.94	0	1	0

 

• Greatbatch = 1.07 x #2 

 

1996 WC

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Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
ST Jayasuriya (SL)	6	6	0	221	82	36.83	168	131.54	0	2	0	29	8
AC Hudson (SA)	4	4	0	275	161	68.75	271	101.47	1	1	0	32	4
CM Spearman (NZ)	6	6	0	191	78	31.83	191	100.00	0	2	0	26	0
Saeed Anwar (PAK)	6	6	2	329	83*	82.25	343	95.91	0	3	0	29	5
G Kirsten (SA)	6	6	1	391	188*	78.20	434	90.09	1	1	0	33	4
ME Waugh (AUS)	7	7	1	484	130	80.66	563	85.96	3	1	1	40	6
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	7	7	1	523	137	87.16	609	85.87	2	3	0	57	7
Aamer Sohail (PAK)	6	6	0	272	111	45.33	332	81.92	1	2	0	35	1
NS Sidhu (INDIA)	3	3	0	176	93	58.66	239	73.64	0	2	0	16	0
NJ Astle (NZ)	6	6	0	111	101	18.50	166	66.86	1	0	1	9	2
MA Taylor (AUS)	7	7	0	193	74	27.57	299	64.54	0	2	0	22	2

 

• Jayasuriya = 1.31x #2 

 

If we are talking about damaging impact and >100SRs in white ball cricket and PP era, it has to be Jayasuriya! 

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Overall strike rate can be boosted even by attacking later. But when it comes to power play attack it is Srikkanth. He would take on the new ball bowler. There is no stat for first 10 over strike rate. 

[zen]

Amiss appears to be a good attacking batsman. Below probably the first WC game (based on the title of the video):

 

 

[Straight Drive]

Srikkanth. Not even competed untill Jayasuriya came decade later.

[Autonomous]

2 hours ago, zen said:

Note that a pioneer is someone who is first or among the first to initiate something. Gilly made his debut much later than some of the guys, who were explosive and entertaining too, being discussed here. There was nothing new that Gilly brought to the table than pursuing a model already in use.  I guess, you could be confusing pioneering with effectiveness  

 

Gilly was forceful in his playing style, Anwar etc were more wristy/classic type of players. 

[Vijy]

Ind should have had Kapil and Sunny open in mid-80s. As posted by Anoop K earlier, Sunny was a very solid ODI consolidator post-1985. Kapil was the only one who could have scored much faster than Srikkanth (I think his SR in 80s was 100+). and given the animosity between the two at times, they could have competed against each other and maybe raised their levels higher.

[vvvslaxman]

32 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Ind should have had Kapil and Sunny open in mid-80s. As posted by Anoop K earlier, Sunny was a very solid ODI consolidator post-1985. Kapil was the only one who could have scored much faster than Srikkanth (I think his SR in 80s was 100+). and given the animosity between the two at times, they could have competed against each other and maybe raised their levels higher.

Kapil is more dangerous down the order.  Cheeka and Gavaskar complemented each other.   In the benson & hedges Selfish Ravi bot played slowly for his 50s. Cheeka was the real man of the series with attacking cricket. Pitch was super friendly for bowling in that tournament. Every single batsman struggled.  Richards averaged 21 in 4 matches. Srikkanth was the highest run getter of the series. He should have won the man of the series.  Ravi bot picked some wickets so they gave it to him. Ravi bot's strike rate was 49.   Actual tournament winners for India were Srikkanth and L Siva.  Richie benaud's favorite player of the 80s was handsdown Srikkanth due to his dare devil approach regardless of the conditions. Especially he would play audacious shots on fast pacy perth pitch.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=590;type=tournament

 

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by vvvslaxman

[Param Mastishk Pheeka]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Kapil is more dangerous down the order.  Cheeka and Gavaskar complemented each other.   In the benson & hedges Selfish Ravi bot played slowly for his 50s. Cheeka was the real man of the series with attacking cricket. Pitch was super friendly for bowling in that tournament. Every single batsman struggled.  Richards averaged 21 in 4 matches. Srikkanth was the highest run getter of the series. He should have won the man of the series.  Ravi bot picked some wickets so they gave it to him. Ravi bot's strike rate was 49.   Actual tournament winners for India were Srikkanth and L Siva.  Richie benaud's favorite player of the 80s was handsdown Srikkanth due to his dare devil approach regardless of the conditions. Especially he would play audacious shots on fast pacy perth pitch.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=590;type=tournament

 

 

Yep.  35 years later, I am still arguing the point with the Northies and Westies in my life.  Audi car should have adorned Mylapore, not Matunga.

[vvvslaxman]

Check out this video. Srikkanth facing Patterson without helmet and smoking him for a six over midwicket

 

 

[First class]

If I have to pick one batsman for being the pioneer of explosive batting in ODI, my choice would be SriKant. He was the first batsman I saw who was hitting the ball over the fielder regularly. I have seen some of his old videos as back as 1983 WC and also in 1985 B&H cup final in Australia when India beat Pakistan. 

Edited February 3, 2020 by First class

[Global.Baba]

17 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Check out this video. Srikkanth facing Patterson without helmet and smoking him for a six over midwicket

 

 

Whatta shot. I remember I used to be a fan of him and Kapil . Both of them used to let us down more often than not by being inconsistent.

[Vilander]

Srikanth 

 

Then Jayasurya

 

everyone knows this.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Global.Baba said:

Whatta shot. I remember I used to be a fan of him and Kapil . Both of them used to let us down more often than not by being inconsistent.

Back int he days 20 run over in a ODI was a big thing. Krish srikkanth smashed holland for 22 runs in one over at the Sydney Test.  He reached his century in 97 balls. And also smashed Imran Khan for 16 runs in one over at Chennai Test.  Sandeep Patil at the oval test smashed Bob willis for 6 fours. Then Kapil 4 sixes against Hemmings. But Srikkanth quiet often used to do that.   

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

I miss those 15 over PP days now patterns have changed even guys like Warner have started using Rohit n kohli method of taking time n covering up later. That time 15 over use to be like a highlight package