G_B_ Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 and let me be clear as well. India has kargil air base and also leh air base. These "permanent structures" have been blown up in a matter of hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Virat Kohli, Ranbir Kapoor, Ranvir Singh and the rest of them. Aamir Khan too with his greed for Chinese $$ Which one of these is going to be the first to cancel their endorsement contract with chinese companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 It also should be noted that Shiv Aroors India today has been lifting the pics from the twitter account I posted.(no credit given) https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/satellite-images-show-mid-may-activity-at-chinese-base-1683469-2020-05-29 coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, FischerTal said: We knew what was happening at pangong and still no action was taken. We allowed them to build up structures in less than a months time. This was a capitulation by the government. Unless we plan to go to war(highly unlikely), we have lost Finger 5-8 forever. The only way IA can patrol upto finger 8 now is if we patrol from up North, but the terrain is so harsh. My guess is, IA plans to build our own set of structures up North, but that’s very difficult to maintain You act as though Chinese are making incursions only from 2014. Well they have done it all along and it has been their military strategy with all its neighbors. It had breached LAC even in 2013, this time it had not crossed Indian land. LAC is not a line, but a buffer zone. But we still keep insisting on it despite repeated assertions by the Govt, Army and military experts. Here a article from 2013 https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/upa-government-doing-nothing-about-chinese-incursion-says-mulayam/article4666582.ece “ a deep incursion, a platoon of China’s Border Defence Regiment entered the Daulat Beg Oldi sector in Ladakh on April 15 and erected a tented post. In 2010, on the Home Ministry’s request, the Indo-Tibetan Border Police had begun manning the area The DBO sector, located in north-east Ladakh, was a historic camp site and is located on the ancient silk trade route. The Government should take steps to drive out the Chinese forces and demarcate the Line of Actual Control, said Biju Janata Dal MP from Cuttack, Bhatruhari Mahtab. Unless the LAC was demarcated, such incursions and skirmishes would continue to occur, he said” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Horrible details of a planned Ambush by the PLA. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ladakh-face-off-chinas-peoples-liberation-army-meticulously-planned-attack-in-galwan-says-senior-government-official/article31862371.ece?homepage=true If this is true, this is not just a land-grab, this is undeclared war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, G_B_ said: So while I get that some are trying to say India lost territory. No that is not the case. There was a buffer zone between the armies. China is now in that buffer zone. That's a bit of pedantic hair-splitting. Bottomline is that PLA was able to "lock down" the buffer zone up to finger 4 to an extent where its impossible to push them back. This did not happen magically overnight. It was systematically done, unopposed and unchallenged by the Indian army to the point where they have built up a permanent presence on Finger 4. It is clear what the Chinese want, and what they are doing. It is not clear what India will tolerate and not tolerate. It is not clear what India can or cannot do. Stop being a government shill, let's call a spade a f**ing spade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, G_B_ said: It also should be noted that Shiv Aroors India today has been lifting the pics from the twitter account I posted.(no credit given) https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/satellite-images-show-mid-may-activity-at-chinese-base-1683469-2020-05-29 I believe they have a deal in place with that guy, he's even shown up on their TV broadcasts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 40 minutes ago, G_B_ said: we export $17 billion a year. Which is nothing... Then that’s fair, as long as China’s economic response doesn’t have an impact on us. For some reason I remember that number being a lot higher so then sure, fk China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 52 minutes ago, sandeep said: I believe they have a deal in place with that guy, he's even shown up on their TV broadcasts... On twitter he claims not been credited Either way his satellite images suggest this massive build up of trucks etc is around 40 plus km from the actual line of control Not inside indian territory which aroor was implying.( was careful not to say it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, G_B_ said: which aroor was implying.( was careful not to say it) Media folks are prone to sensationalizing things - its their job, are you really surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 And the picture by iyer mitra does suggest we crossed the lac to have a fist fight across the lac The Chinese are not in galwan valley but rather kms behind post this skirmish. It has also been confirmed by india that our death count is 20. Those who are in hospital will recover. (Vishnu som) raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 57 minutes ago, maniac said: Then that’s fair, as long as China’s economic response doesn’t have an impact on us. For some reason I remember that number being a lot higher so then sure, fk China. See we mostly export raw materials to china like iron ore etc India has continually asked for access for our service sector to balance the trade with them. None has been forthcoming Regardless of this india needed to boycott china. As a tidbit pakistani cement is cheaper to use in some parts of north india. Post stopping all trade business adjusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 For everyone who is struggling to find the clash spot, Use below link which also has co-ordinates in url. U can see exact terrain along with various Roads. https://zoom.earth/#view=34.76656,78.198776,17z/layers=labels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Do you guys (posting on this thread) have serious info from insiders A.k.a top position holders in the MOD,MHA ,Ex Army personals ,strategic experts,Diplomats or even the locals from that area ? I mean do you know for sure how much China has intruded intoThe LAC? Now dont give sources like Tweets which give manipulated satelite image break ups,Articles From newspaper especially IE,Telegraph, The Hindu etc. Because some of the posts on this thread is quiet different to what sources from inside the top brasses are saying sandeep, G_B_ and raki05 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 This guy was Amnesty India head. Now, can we ban such NGOs which are seditious in nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, adi B said: Do you guys (posting on this thread) have serious info from insiders A.k.a top position holders in the MOD,MHA ,Ex Army personals ,strategic experts,Diplomats or even the locals from that area ? I mean do you know for sure how much China has intruded intoThe LAC? Now dont give sources like Tweets which give manipulated satelite image break ups,Articles From newspaper especially IE,Telegraph, The Hindu etc. Because some of the posts on this thread is quiet different to what sources from inside the top brasses are saying Is India Today 'mainstream' enough for you? Chinese have taken over the Finger 4 area completely. It is GONE. This is not even up for debate. There is nobody "top brass" or lower brass saying otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Punjab Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 It is quite sad that human life is so cheap. Poor frontline soldiers are at the mercy of politicians and played like mere dispensable pawns. In reality, they’re somebody’s sons or daughters, brothers or sisters, parents, etc and all this breaks apart families and lifelong trauma. We are just sitting at home and ‘strategizing’ further ‘gameplays’ and military tactics. We’ve become so desensitized to the reality with such regular occurrences. No words to translate the loss of life. Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Fingers 4 to 8 in the buffer zone are with chinese. But the weather in winter means they will have to vacate. randomGuy and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasgulla Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 11 hours ago, sandeep said: Virat Kohli, Ranbir Kapoor, Ranvir Singh and the rest of them. Aamir Khan too with his greed for Chinese $$ Which one of these is going to be the first to cancel their endorsement contract with chinese companies. none because $ talks. We all know how fake virat is.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raki05 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 18 hours ago, sandeep said: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/satellite-images-show-positions-surrounding-deadly-china-india-clash/ Pictures speak a thousand words. Indian army used to have 'control' up to Finger 4 and 5 earlier. Now Finger 4 and 5 are under a thousand Chinese boots, with 100+ permanent structures. This has already happened. And not overnight. What the Chinese are doing, is hardening the Line of Actual Control, and attempting to solidify their control on strategic locations - probably ahead of an eventual 'settlement'. The Indian army, has spectacularly failed to prevent this at Pangong. This is unambiguous. If the Indian army allows the PLA to replicate its Pangong success at Galwan, that would mean that the road to DSDBO would forever be under Chinese boots. The fact that the Indian statements are focused on "returning to pre-June Status quo" implies that India has already de facto conceded and accepted Chinese encroachment and permanent control of Finger 4 at Pangong. How and why this was allowed to happen, I do not know. If it is unacceptable that the Chinese control the ridgeline at Galwan, does Finger 4 at Pangong not hold similar strategic significance? Maybe it doesn't, Let's hope it doesn't. It is imperative that the Indian army ramps up its border patrolling and surveillance capability, yesterday. Where else have the Chinese 'pulled a Pangong'? Or are planning to? They don't have contol on Indian side of LAC rather they are trying to enforce their battalions on LAC area and enforcing troops on their side in view on India recent construction of road near LAC. In this effort Chinese also trying to intrude in LAC region which is very near to Indian controlled territory near LAC. As per article looks like they don't have any control of Indian territory but they have started reinforcement near LAC ever since india started construction work and this attack on Indian soldiers looks more of an attack in frustration as india overlooked their warning to not do construction work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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