India's Greatest ODI cricketer

[First class]

It has to be Kapil Dev.  When he merged , India was not the top team , not even close in ODI, but he won the world cup,  he was just 24 .With a team none of them would make it to all time Indian ODI team. Great ODI player and great leader, best from India , ever. 

[Hell Raiser]

Sachin, Kohli, Kapil and Yuvi for me are the contenders.

Dhoni would top the list but not for this one but for the most selfish players not only in the Indian team but in the world.  

[Straight Drive]

Kapil - World class ATG all rounder and who gave confidence that India can also win World Cup.

 

We had lost two warm up matches in 1983, then we came back strongly to beat the ATG WI twice. Then that swashbuckling all time best innings of 175 against Zimbabwe when we were 17/5. The running catch of Viv. wickets and runs in WC. He was a super hero whose motivation, leading from front by giving abnormal performance were major reasons why India won world cup even after a horrible start in warm up.

 

Not only he was a great ODI player but he also captained the team well for India's first  WC win.

Edited August 1, 2020 by Straight Drive

[zen]

On 7/30/2020 at 11:24 AM, zen said:

Objectively w/ some subjective elements - MSD.

 

It is incredible to be keeping wkts for 50 overs + overseeing captaincy for a large part of his career + performing consistently in MO, one of the hardest areas to bat at in ODIs, and at Bevan’s level esp. when it comes to handling pressure, while possessing the flexibility to bat any where in the batting order

 

Brief comments on other players: 

 

Kapil Dev: Relatively inconsistent but when he did well you felt good. Though was a good motivator, his captaincy was bland. You could almost know who is going to bowl which overs and bat where. In 1989, Srikant became the captain and we saw innovation relatively speaking like Chetan Sharma being promoted up the order v Eng in Nehru Cup. Chetan hit a 100 to win that game

 

Sachin/Kohli: Great in their specialist field. Kohli captains too but his captaincy is similar to Kapil’s without the motivating elements
 

While you can find players such as Kapil, Sachin, and Kohli in many of the other teams too, players like MSD are relatively rare

 

Therefore, the greatest Indian ODI cricketer goes to MSD at this point  

Let’s see if Pandya can snatch this title in future   

Officially the MS era ends today 

[Mariyam]

MSD

Sachin

Yuvraj

[coffee_rules]

Kapil/Sachin

Dhoni

 

[zen]

One difference b/w Dhoni and Kapil (both multi skill cricketers & World Cup winning captains) can be seen from the two SFs that Ind lost (and where Ind could be considered as the favorite before the game):

 

• 1987 vs. Eng: Kapil won the toss and elected to field first. The experienced Kapil walked in with India in trouble. Played a decent knock. All he needed to do was build a p’ship with Azhar but played a stupid shot. Ind was bundled out for 219 with more than 4 overs still to go. Also his captaincy was mundane, allowing Eng to get 230+ runs in the last 40 overs. As a result of that he probably lost his captaincy.
• 2019 vs. NZ: Again Ind is in trouble. The experienced Dhoni, working with Jadeja and Pandya, almost put Ind across the line. 

 

Kapil could play a good to great knock like 5-10 times in 100 games. Dhoni could do that 25-30 times in 100 games. More importantly, Dhoni knew how to cross the finishing line better! There are not too many cricketers who have insights like Dhoni. 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2020 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

What dhoni brings as player to the table in a team

 

1. Captaincy 
2. Wk 
3. Stumpings like no other
4. DRS - best judge to take a review , cud put umpires to shame
5. Consistency in batting
6. Can bat anywere from 1-7
7. Can bat in any gear
8. Running between the wkts- which not only helps him but non striker
9. Finisher 
10. Calmness and this is rare under so much pressure - thats why he won tournaments  
11. Gutsy captain 
12. had luck as captain
13. Someone who backed youngsters and they spoke highly of his feedbacks
14. Supreme athlete 
15. Havent seen many with such presence of mind on field 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Gollum]

Had he retired after 2015 WC he could have probably been regarded as our greatest ODI player, did lots of damage to his legacy and Team India's fortunes in the next 4 years. 

[zen]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Had he retired after 2015 WC he could have probably been regarded as our greatest ODI player, did lots of damage to his legacy and Team India's fortunes in the next 4 years. 

Fyi, below is how Kapil went in his last 5-6 years.

 

Records type all-round analysis [change type] View career summary [change view] Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies  Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1989  Ordered by default (ascending) Return to query menu Cleared query menu Career averages   Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff   unfiltered 1978-1994 225 3783 175* 23.79 1 253 5/43 27.45 1 71 0 -3.65 Profile filtered 1989-1994 85 1066 48* 18.06 0 88 4/31 29.65 0 21 0 -11.59

I am not sure how anyone on the list could do worse than that!

 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2020 by zen

[zen]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

What dhoni brings as player to the table in a team

 

1. Captaincy 
2. Wk 
3. Stumpings like no other
4. DRS - best judge to take a review , cud put umpires to shame
5. Consistency in batting
6. Can bat anywere from 1-7
7. Can bat in any gear
8. Running between the wkts- which not only helps him but non striker
9. Finisher 
10. Calmness and this is rare under so much pressure - thats why he won tournaments  
11. Gutsy captain 
12. had luck as captain
13. Someone who backed youngsters and they spoke highly of his feedbacks
14. Supreme athlete 
15. Havent seen many with such presence of mind on field 

 

Dhoni was brilliant as the captain over a long period 

 

Excl BD and Zim

Records type all-round analysis [change type]

View career summary [change view]

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies

Captaincy as captain

Ordered by default (ascending)

Return to query menu Cleared query menu

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
unfiltered	2004-2019	350	10773	183*	50.57	10	1	1/14	31.00	0	321	123	19.57	Profile
filtered	2007-2016	179	6067	139*	51.85	4	1	1/14	31.00	0	157	66	20.85

 

179 matches -> over 50% of the matches of his career (iirc the highest % among Indian captains)  with keeping and batting mostly in MO 

 

[zen]

I was planning to cut down on all my forum usage/posting from today till IPL but the Dhoni retirement sucked me in

 

Now reverting back to the original plan (I hope there would be no more incidences to suck me in ) ....  If I see a notification, I may respond to it  

 

 

 

[adi B]

Sachin most definitely - average of 47 as an opener at SR 88 , won a WC , won a CT , holds finalists medal In WC,CT , highest run scorer in 2 WCs,Best batsman of a decade (90s) and and to top that 150 odi wkts (criminally underrated) 

[cricketfan28]

Sachin.